What do you think about certain businesses banning weapons and other ones (especially bars) not?

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Thanks for the info, Rob!

I live and work in Sussex. Thank you Patch for letting me know which bars on my way home from work have decided to ban law abiding citizens from their establishment. I will no longer be patronizing Tailgators, Dive Bar or Su Casa.

I am going to conceal carry and I am torn on this. Of course, I respect an individual business owner's right to allow or not allow weapons on their premises, however, it also means that the law abiding carrying people won't be allowed in with weapons, but the criminals will be since they will be illegally carrying. That sounds discriminatory and short sighted to me. I'm really going to miss the great food at Su Casa, but if they don't want people like me (a business owner, CPA, homeowner and law abiding citizen) in their establishments, I will have to abide by their decision

Carrying in a bar is a moot point because if you are carrying with your permit, rather than having permission to open carry in there from the owner or manager on duty, you cannot consume alcohol. With that said, there are numerous states where you can drink and carry at the same time. If there were such an issue, we would hear about it, especially from the Brady Campaign.

I lived in Upper Michigan for 3 years where there was CC and everyone had guns up there! :) I cannot remember a shooting taking place at all during the time was there. In 3 years, it never became a big deal in my daily life. However, with Wisconsin's alcohol consumption issues, I can see why people are uneasy.

Here in Minnesota, many businesses that posted signs in the first days or weeks of the new law soon took them down. People who are unfamiliar with guns think "I just get nervous thinking people might be carrying weapons in the store." (If you've been to Target or Kohl's or almost any business in any state except Illinois, guess what? Lawful permit holders are carrying.)

There are drives to support businesses who post, and drives to support those that don't post. But basically businesses don't want to get into a controversy, they don't want people thinking about it and getting nervous, so down come the signs.

Lost in the discussion is the fact that bad guys carry regardless of laws or signs.

One other point if I may: permit holders learn very very quickly to avoid behaviors and places that put them in a poor legal position when carrying. There is no way I would ever carry a weapon into a bar, even if I wasn't drinking. A fist fight going on up ahead on the sidewalk? Head the other way. Some driver flips you the bird? You ignore the urge to do the same, since any confrontation that results could put you in the spot of being an instigator, not the innocent person you really are. I have always carried for 7 years, but secure the weapon at banned locations (courthouses, schools, etc.) and stupid places (bars).

One last point from previously living in a CC state, many people are going to apply and get licensed to carry, but many won't because the large number CC applicants will be suburban/rural. So while you might find yourself in the Brookfield Target, you likely won't have the suburban dad in Aisle 3 picking up paper towels on his way home packing heat! When it came up as I talked to people in Michigan, their position was "I carry when I go to places where I think I might need to, like Flint or Detroit". My guess is that a lot of Wisconsin residents will do the same: only carry when they go to Milwaukee.

Joseph, the Patch carried that story, the robber only implied he had a gun...your point is well taken though.

And what was the pharmacist behind the counter supposed to do? Put his own gun to the robber's head?

You forget the immunity from liability if you let people carry concealed weapons if you ban them on your place of business and they get hurt cause you ban their gun and the ability to defend themself you will be sued you do not have immunity now if they get hurt by someone robbing the place. Can you see the lawers lineing up to take that case to sue you it would be huge!! NEW CAR THANK YOU JESUS!!!
bad guys do not care about signs and you made people defenless or my god!!! TWO NEW CARS AND A BOAT!!! and A NEW GUN!!

OH OH HOW ABOUT A WOMEN RAPED IN THE PARKING LOT BY A GUy with GUN WHO WAS IN YOUR BAR! you banned her gun it's in her car she was not drinking and she could not get to her gun before she was attacked cause you BANNED HER RIGHT FOR SELF defence!! let say NEW HOUSE AND A NEW CAR< SOME SHOES, A TRIP TO (" DARE WE SAY IT" YES!!! " VAGAS!!!"

no immunity for banning concealed carrying weapons they are for self defence. take them away after we work so hard for them then you better dam well provide protection to that lady in your lot.!! cause the sharks are in the water be the first dingbat the lawers carve up no immunity no protection you let her get raped in a bad area no lights 3am WE IN THE MONEY!!! YOUR BAR IS GONE!! I GOT A NEW CAR!! I AM LMAO AT YOU GUYS you don't see it coming. dramm shop laws are penny stuff this is going slap the dummies on their butts. if I was a lawer I would be making a list of all places in my area banning concealed carry and reading the newspapers for someone getting raped, robbed, shot stabbed, car jacked, with any on the business on that list and bamm lawsuit. even if you settle and decide not to risk I AM IN THE MONEY!!! WE pushed for concealed carry to defend ourselfs cause the police were not, and you are going to take that away. prepare to lose your business! cause when seconds count the police are mins away.
self defence take it away then you better protect us, or lose your money!

Thats why the immunity part was put in the law so you guys who take away our 2nd Am right will pay a big price for doing it protect us or pay us.

A guy come into your dinner and you allow concealed carry he is drunk and shoot a women he was dating a patron shoots him. she trys to sue you she can't you have immunity!!! NO MONEY NO COURT NO LAWERS aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
DANG PUT OUT YOUR SIGNS I WANT THE MONEY!!!
or let us use our rights and defend our selfs

OMG I hope the chief of police in Milwaukee owns a dinner, bar or business and bans concealed carry wow that would be the best law suit ever a women gets raped and murder in his dark lot or two streets from his place her gun was in her car and she never made it. WOW he would be driving a bike to work after the lawers were done!! Hey YO TOP COP you own any business?

Gordon, even I think the post, repost, repost, repost again is over the top. I have brought this to many people's attention (liability) and many think that criminal will abiding by the [stupid] sign, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

It does not happen like that, it happens like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

"Under a new village ordinance, businesses are allowed to post signs at every major entrance"
The village ordinance means nothing. State law says that they have to post _every_ entrance or they can't claim someone is trespassing.
And they have plenty of time to think about whether or not they want to turn away customers.

"have signs posted to prevent any problems"
Because signs stop crime. Riiiiight... Signs won't stop criminals any more than laws do. All a sign does is turn away good law-abiding customers and tell criminals where it's safe to attack people.

“Alcohol and guns shouldn’t be together”
Obviously hasn't read the law.
If someone is carrying on a license, carrying concealed, they're not allowed to drink alcohol at a bar or restaurant.

"there’s really no need for guns at the library... I think people will just feel safer.”
And feelings are all-important to people like that.
Forget about reality - criminals ignore laws, signs, pleas not to kill you.
Forget that you're turning away people who pay taxes to keep the library running, because they exercise a protected civil right.

"advises people not to carry a weapon into a church as a sign of respect"
And that works so well with criminals who want to commit mass murder.
Idiots.
Criminals commit crimes wherever, whenever they want.
They like places where victims can't fight back.