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New Details on Roundabouts and Main Street Construction Emerge

Residents flooded the Main Street Construction meeting to weigh in on the possible roundabouts. The project's designers presented multiple options on everything from sidewalks to intersections.

Sussex residents crowded the Quad/Graphics room at the Wednesday evening for the village’s fourth public meeting on the Main Street reconstruction project, mostly due to .

More than 50 residents attended the first of three consecutive meetings to share their opinions on the suggested construction plans. Ryan Amtmann, the project manager, first gave a short presentation about the history of the project, battling the sound of murmurs from citizens unable to wait to share their opinions.  

And the murmurs apparently reached the right ears. Trustees Tim Dietrich and Pat Tetzlaff said they plan on talking with the Village Board Tuesday to stress discontinuing the roundabout idea, according to the Sussex Sun. President Greg Goetz said he wants to wait until the meeting's reports are finished before officially deciding, and he doesn't expect them to be finished by Tuesday.

Tim Dietrich and Pat Tetzlaff said they plan on talking with the Village Board Tuesday to stress discontinuing the roundabout idea.

Large easels lined the walls of the room with multiple renderings of suggested designs sitting on them. Before Amtmann finished his presentation so residents could examine the designs, he stressed one thing.

“The most important stakeholder in this project is you,” Amtamnn said. “This project wouldn’t be a success if the village didn’t have a process in place to hear how you feel about this project… When you give us your comments, it’s not going in one ear and out the other. It’s getting written down.”

The residents quickly dispersed throughout the room to look at the renderings, write down their own comments to turn in, or to share their comments with project officials. The room even had two laptops with animated traffic showing how a roundabout intersection would work.

In total, the design team presented four different concepts to explore:

Roadway Concepts

The first option is maintaining the same width of the roadway. The green space, or grassy area, on each side stays the same, as does the parking availability. This option is basically what Main Street already looks like. However, that means there would be the same problems with backups when people need to turn left.

The second option is to create a space in the middle of the road where cars can pull into to make a left turn without backing up traffic. Parking availability would remain the same and backups would be far less frequent, but the green space would be reduced by five feet on each side of the road to make room for the center turn lane.

Intersection Concepts

Traffic signals are the first option, but the project engineers say they’re far less efficient than roundabouts. Also, efficiency can only get worse as the town grows, and the designers are planning for up to 25 years into the future. Traffic lights also allow for higher traveling speeds, meaning less safety. Also, while it’ll be less expensive at first, officials say traffic lights require a lot more maintenance and electricity to run.

Roundabouts are the second option, and while , project engineers say they’ll substantially improve traffic flow, especially in the future. It’s a continuous flow of cars rather than a lot of stop-and-go, and because they’re bulky, roundabouts will naturally reduce traffic speeds. And while they cost more upfront, there’s very minimal maintenance.

Sidewalk Concepts

The first option is to have a grassy, green space between the sidewalk and the road, much like the sidewalks most subdivisions have. This type of sidewalk has a lower initial cost, provides a buffer between traffic and pedestrians and also gives the village a place to pile snow.

The second option is to have the sidewalk concrete stretch all the way to the curb, much like sidewalks in downtown Milwaukee. While there will be a much bigger sidewalk to be more pedestrian friendly, this type of sidewalk costs more upfront, and there’s no place to pile snow meaning there will be additional snow removal costs.

Silver Spring Drive Realignment

A roundabout at this intersection could mean a clean, 90-degree angle at the corner of Silver Spring Drive and Main Street may not be necessary because the circular flow of traffic. That means a new road wouldn’t have to be constructed, cutting down on costs and avoiding the disturbance of the houses to the south. However, a new road could also be built to create a more traditional intersection, but still with a roundabout. 

Traffic lights would mean a new road would need to be constructed to create a 90-degree intersection. This would provide all the necessary turning movements residents have been quick to demand at that intersection. While the new road would give Sussex some redevelopment opportunities, it would cost more.

What are Residents Saying?

After talking with multiple residents, it still doesn't sound like anyone was happy with the idea of roundabouts.

A handful of people complained about safety, saying they were worried about their children who walked to school or frequently rode their bikes on Main Street. Without cross signals to indicate when it’s safe to walk, many parents weren’t interested.

In addition, not only was the owner of Piggly Wiggly, Dennis Lipofski, , but he was also worried about the store’s semi trucks.

“The new roundabout will be cutting into the front of the parking lot at ,” Lipofski said. “Delivery trucks will probably be able to get in, but when these new designs show the removal of my east exit, the trucks might have to make a U-turn to get out. It almost sounds impossible.”

"I say they widen the road and just put the left-turn lane all the way up Main Street. It would probably solve a majority of these traffic ‘problems.’”

And Main Street homeowners like Rick Vodicka really weren’t happy with the designs. Vodicka said he probably drives on the street more than any other resident considering he not only lives on it, but works at Quad/Graphics.

“I live on Main Street, and they just put in a boulevard in front of my house so I have to do a U-turn half the time I want to get in my driveway,” Vodicka said. “And now this is just a joke. I say they widen the road and just put the left-turn lane all the way up Main Street. It would probably solve a majority of these traffic ‘problems.’”

However, traffic isn’t the only reason for the reconstruction project. Village officials and project designers also stress things like the beatification of downtown Sussex and making it more pedestrian friendly to attract vibrant new businesses.

But to some, even that explanation couldn’t justify the project.

“We don’t need additional shops or businesses anywhere on Main Street,” said resident Chris Hayes. “And there’s no traffic problem.”

Sussex is expecting to determine the construction costs by mid 2012 so officials can move forward and begin to budget throughout the upcoming years. Construction is still slated to start in 2015.

Editor's Note: This story was updated with new information from the village trustees at 9 a.m. on Thursday. 

Justme April 19, 2012 at 09:27 pm
Sorry I missed the meeting. I read on the Sussex Sun on-line article that said the village staff said the "revenue source has not been identified". What?
Common sense sussex April 20, 2012 at 01:56 am
So to add this story I hear the estimated costs for these designs are arund $600,000. Hope they can explain this money well spent.
Rick Vodicka April 20, 2012 at 09:34 am
Not everyone on the Village Board is for these roundabouts....Trustee Wegner has been against them since the beginning and after Wednesday night's meeting, it appears a couple more are seeing this for the bad idea that it is. From what I saw and heard from others who were at the meeting, I think the village residents sent a loud and clear message on the roundabouts....no roundabouts. As a person who has lived on Main St both east and west of the VV/Main intersection for over 10years, I can attest to how difficult it is turning left to head east on Main St across traffic between 3pm and 7pm. It is very, very difficult even with the current traffic lights in place. Since the point of the roundabouts is to "keep traffic flowing", how will "help" those businesses and residents? If anything, it will make matters worse. You might as well plan on never turning east. As a Main St homeowner, I have grave concerns with some of the concepts that were presented as options.....but again, they were that, options. Common sense tells me that it would be realistic to expect the final designs to be a combination of all of the options presented on Wednesday night. I think the turnout was great, and I think we as residents got our points across. I think the Village Staff and Village Board members present had an opportunity to see what we the residents want. If a common sense design doesn't come out of these meetings, well, then I guess we'll have to have to a different conversation.
Tia April 20, 2012 at 11:43 am
Roundabouts are nice when you have a lot of space to work with in a reconstruction project. But NOT in this case, unless they want to plow down the bank, gas station and hair salon. There is not enough room for a roundabout here. Have you ever seen the large trucks go thru the roundabout on main and townline? They practicly take out the center plantings just to go around the corner. Not enough turning radius. You do the math! Would much rather see a turning lane put into place.
Debi April 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Rick, you are absolutely correct in trying to make a left-hand turn especially at certain times. I joked, many years ago, that Sussex was becoming a community of right-hand turns. Our business is on Main Street, so I understand the frustration of making left-hand turns. But, all the plans require more information. I suggested that the engineers use temporary paint similar to that used by Diggers Hotline, and let interested parties see a full scale representation. A huge blunder by the former Village Board was allowing/wanting the newest buildings on Main Street (west of Piggly Wiggly) to be so close to the sidewalk/roadway. How can that be widened? What about the barber shop, beauty salon, and homes that already don't have much frontage? There are a lot of factors to consider.
Tim Selerski April 20, 2012 at 01:42 pm
Thank You Debi! I'm one of those residents, and I've been told my choices are keeping my tiny front yard by opting for the roundabouts, or losing what's left of it with the installation of a center turn lane. Neither option is palatable to me. Speeding squads are bad enough at 25 feet from my front door and ten feet from my front step would be intolerable. I know we're only a handful of residents here on Main St, but I still think our property values should be considered. It's hard enough to sell a place in this crippled market, but who's gonna want a place where you'll be struck by a car stepping out your front door?
Tim Selerski April 20, 2012 at 01:45 pm
So traffic is a little congested a couple times a day. It's not really that bad.
Kathy April 20, 2012 at 01:55 pm
As a business owner on Main street, I went to the meeting. Most plans take out my building. Most questions that I had were left unanswered. What is wrong with main street the way it stands right now. When was the last time sewers were done on that street? Do they really need to be done now? They could not give me dates as to when they were last done. Don't you think if you were having this kind of meeting your officials would have all of these answers. Or is our village board seeing a vision for Sussex that takes away all the reasons we moved here and started businesses here.
Just the talk and the plans of this construction is doing damage to my business. Kinda hard to promote your business if you don't know if it will be around in a couple of years, or almost impossible to get to because of construction. What if I wanted to sell my building on Main street right now? Who would buy a building that isn't even in the vision for Sussex. I thought Sussex wasn't in the real estate business.
Tim Selerski April 20, 2012 at 02:05 pm
I suppose a center left turn lane wouldn't be so bad in front of Piggly Wiggly. At least they wouldn't hurt any homeowners. Otherwise leave it as is....
Tim Selerski April 20, 2012 at 02:07 pm
And I have the same concerns regarding my home Kathy. At least give me fair market for my place so I can relocate while interest rates are in the cellar.
Debi April 20, 2012 at 03:15 pm
There already is a turn lane by the Pig. It seems to me that Sussex is looking for ways to spend the taxpayers money instead of realizing that Sussex taxes are HIGH enough already..........it's time to end the spending spree. Demand fiscal accountability.
ScottRAB April 20, 2012 at 04:00 pm
Here’s a quote:
“By 2025, a quarter of all drivers in the United States will be over the age of 65. Intersections are the single most dangerous traffic environment for drivers of any age with left-hand turns being the single most dangerous traffic maneuver that any of us can make. Forty percent of all crashes that involve drivers over the age of 65 occur at intersections. This is nearly twice the rate of experienced younger drivers. AARP would like to see more roundabouts constructed because of the many safety benefits that they present for drivers of all ages.” - Jana Lynott, AARP Public Policy Institute
ScottRAB April 20, 2012 at 04:04 pm
Roundabout corridors are not new. I think Malta, NY has one and Golden, Colorado.
ScottRAB April 20, 2012 at 04:06 pm
The first cost of any two choices is a poor way to compare. Life-cycle cost is the best (present value of future costs, a.k.a. net present value). When comparing modern roundabouts to signals for a 20-year life cycle (the standard period), modern roundabouts usually cost us much less. Costs to compare include: first cost (design/land/construction), operation and maintenance (electricity, re-striping, etc.), crash reduction, daily delay (what’s your time worth?), daily fuel consumption, pollution (generated), area insurance rates (this costs more where it is less safe to drive). Each of these things, and others, can be estimated for any two choices and everyone near or using the project area will pay some portion of all of these costs.
More info: http://tinyurl.com/739pu3d Modern roundabouts are the safest form of intersection in the world. Search www.iihs.org for FAQs and safety facts. The safety comes from the ‘slow and go’ operation instead of the ‘stop or go fast’ way a stop light works (or the ‘keep going fast’ large traffic circle fantasy). The smaller size of the modern roundabout is what makes them safer and keeps speeds in the 20 mph range. This makes it much easier to avoid a crash or stop for pedestrians. It also means that if a crash happens the likelihood of injury is very low. Safety is the #1 reason there are over 2,400 modern roundabouts in the US today and many more on the way.
ScottRAB April 20, 2012 at 04:09 pm
Do you have time to run the city? We elect people to run the city because we don't have time to. They spend thier working hours studying issues, evaluating alternatives, hiring professional consultants, i.e., thier job, so sound decisions, based on rational judgement can be made. Suffering through the rantings of uniformed constiuents is just one of the perks.
ScottRAB April 20, 2012 at 04:11 pm
How much traffic are we talking about? Single-lane modern roundabouts (90-120 feet in diameter) can handle intersections that serve about 20,000 vehicles per day. Two-lane modern roundabouts (150-220 feet in diameter) can serve about 50,000 vehicles per day.
Tim Selerski April 20, 2012 at 04:20 pm
Thank you for the uninformed constituent remark ScottRAB. Am I to understand the community should sit down and shut up and let the leaders do what they deem best for us? I've seen no rants. Just concerned citizens standing up for what they feel is the best for their community. Perhaps the recall comments are a bit over the top, but I guess what's good for the goose is yada, yada, yada.....
Rick Vodicka April 20, 2012 at 04:54 pm
ScottRAB...it sounds like you really like roundabouts...I'd suggest living by Cabela's in Richfield. That way you can drive through four of them everyday just to get across Hwys 41 & 45. Those of us who work on Main St & shop in businesses on Main St and & live our lives on Main St think there's more to our quality of life than pushing traffic through town with the "the best flow". I know a lot people commenting above are against doing much of anything at all...I disagree with that as well. There are some underground utility issues that are in need of attention. Could some improvements be made along Main St to improve traffic flow? Yes, I think there are some things that could be done...I'm not against the center turn lane idea even though I know it would put my already close to Main St home even closer to the road. While I understand that we can't all possibly get everything that we want out of this design, it sounds like a very vocal majority of the residents who spoke were against the roundabouts...this is still a majority rules society. If the majority doesn't want them, then just move on and figure out what the other alternatives are. Its not like these designs are roundabouts or nothing. There's more to the design planning than roundabouts...commercial sidewalks vs. residential sidewalks...does it have to be one or the other? Why not incorporate both where each them makes sense. How about sidewalk and grass width, can they be adjusted? Re-route VV or not?
M C April 20, 2012 at 05:15 pm
A Few Comments:
First, roundabouts or not, rerouting Silver Spring Rd. is absolutely not worthwhile. It would involve tremendous cost and affect many homes and businesses with only the limited payoff of a squared off intersection. In fact, I would guess that it would cost more than all three roundabouts combined with compensation to land and business owners, moving sewer, etc. Sure I don't like that we can't turn left from westbound Main St. to Silver Spring (especially when I live in that direction), but it's not that big of a deal. There are much better uses for that amount of money. And I would agree that the train crossing is a much bigger issue than this. Second, generally I like roundabouts. I'm not one of those that always thinks that they are a bad idea. They can work well and really improve traffic flow (consider the one at North Ave. and Barker, for example, a big improvement). However, I am opposed to their use in this core section of Main Street in the center of town. I oppose them for a couple reasons. First, there is a certain aesthetic about a small town Main Street that cannot be maintained at all with roundabouts. I want to look down Main Street and see the town and businesses laid out before me. I want to see the lines of the road, the sidewalks, the storefronts, the people, the community. Roundabouts disrupt all of that. (continued on next post…)
M C April 20, 2012 at 05:15 pm
More importantly, roundabouts mean vehicles in constant motion, making it much more dangerous for pedestrians and bicycles. Crossing intersections at roundabouts is much more dangerous than crossing at lights. Kids (mine included) cross Main all the time to go the library, etc.). I don't want to trust drivers moving in roundabouts to look or yield to pedestrians, often coming against their line of sight, to stop for these walkers and bikes. Stopped cars are safer than moving cars. Even if a car is only going 15 mph, that's too fast when they hit a child. Even as an adult, I'd rather cross at a light than a roundabout. Finally, I don't think the benefits of the roundabouts justify the costs. I would agree that turn lanes would be a better improvement for the flow and look of the town. If the board wants to spend big bucks, the railroad track is a bigger issue. Of course they could just choose not to spend big bucks, right?
I do think some investment by the town in improving the downtown Main St. area is worthwhile. Adding and maintaining nice features (nice lampposts, benches, walkways, green space, etc.) that keep the downtown attractive and quaint is worthwhile and affects the perception of people regarding Sussex. The board just needs to be careful about what improvements to make and how much to spend.
Debi April 20, 2012 at 05:18 pm
ScottRAB, Would any of the proposed RABs directly affect your business or home? In my case, any MANY others, it directly affects us. In order to make a left-hand turn out of our business parking lot the slight break allowed by the traffic lights is absolutely necessary. I suggest you look at the State of Wisconsin website, there are 19 situations where RABs would be feasible............NONE apply in the middle of Sussex. I've asked for specific numbers on the cost and the number of accidents in each section, but nothing has been provided. I've proposed that the "engineers" use temporary paint to put all of this in perspective. Looking at it in the micro form on the maps does not show the depth of what would happen to the homes and businesses.
Debi April 20, 2012 at 05:22 pm
I am the one who simply repeated the recall comments that we heard upon leaving the meeting on Wednesday. I do not live in Sussex, but own a business that would be affected. The recall comment just showed how upset this debacle has made many of the residents and businessowners. I heard it being vehemently opposed in both grocery stores again today.
Debi April 20, 2012 at 05:27 pm
ScottRAB, Sussex is not a CITY.........it's a Village. The Board members are paid, though not much, for every meeting they attend. They are supposed to represent the community. That is what we are expecting them to do.
Tim Selerski April 20, 2012 at 05:29 pm
Thank You Debi.
Karen April 20, 2012 at 05:38 pm
Oh yeah!! I was one of those many waiting.Unbelievable!
Karen April 20, 2012 at 05:41 pm
Lets just add the middle left turn lane. On Main and Orchard/vv, add a left turn signal. We need to keep it safe for pedestrian crossing as well. Lots of kids riding bikes, walking etc. Even Main St. as it is, my kids have almost gotten hit because people don't understand that they DO NEED to yield to peds in the cross walks!!!!!!!!! Putting roundabouts in, I don't see how safe it can be for these pads.
Karen April 20, 2012 at 05:43 pm
These roundabouts are too small and in too small of a distance apart from each other. Think of some semi's or larger trucks for deliveries? I understand there really isn't a such thing as continuous traffic for ever and ever, however after school kids are playing, that is the most busiest time of the evening.
Karen April 20, 2012 at 05:46 pm
At what time do you drive thru? I live off Main St. I find it most difficult btwn the hours of 4:30 to 6:00 (ish). And that goes without say in the morning. Its awful, however it is only for an hour or so. Throughout the day its OK. I don't think roundabouts are the answer either. But just make turning left safe and adjust the lights to include left signals. Thats my opinion.
Karen April 20, 2012 at 05:50 pm
Well, while I appreciate those who want to represent us here in the village. Why is it we vote for those to represent that DONT EVEN LIVE IN OUR VILLAGE. They don't have our best interests. Oh its always fun to spend other peoples $$$$$$.
Steve Dan May 6, 2012 at 12:11 pm
First, let me say that I think it's great that the citizens are speaking their minds and shows a genuine concern for our home town. What would be wrong with presenting all of the ideas to the voters and let them (us) decide? Completely by-pass the board. It's our home, we should be the one's to decide. Secondly, my thought would be to just do away with parking spaces from SS/Main to Maple, add the turn lane and forget it. Thirdly, I see many, many comments from the same people in the postings. How many of you have ever ran for public office? If you are this concerned, which I can see is genuine, then take the time, run for office and quit b---hing about the current board members. There are a few buildings that can be purchased by the city; the old Eggarts building for one. That space would make a great parking lot for the Village of Sussex. The Main St. residents (HOMEOWNERS) would probably (from what I read) gladly sell their property if compensated properly. More parking spaces for downtown businesses and a chance for our Hometown lifestyle to remain the same. I love Sussex. Been here for 13 years now and would hate to see it change.

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