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Don't Buy the Hyperbole Over Mining Proposal

DNR could have sited iron mine while protecting the environment at the same time.

As the , we all heard the hyper-political language about the environmental harm that would result from any iron ore mine.

It was very difficult for me to sit back and watch.

I was ever hopeful that calmer heads would prevail, considering the $1.5 billion investment and the thousands of resulting jobs that the state could have welcomed while the environment is protected.

Unfortunately, I was wrong.

This issue became just another political piñata with some senators clearly displaying that politics is more important than getting things done for Wisconsin citizens.

I wish it wasn't true, but unfortunately in the end the motivation to not allow a potential success for Governor Walker appears to be what really killed the bill.    The debate even degenerated with some suggesting that the state Department of Natural Resources lacked the expertise to site a mine.

I think it is time to set the record straight and to recommend that we need to have a higher dialogue on environmental issues if we expect to move forward as a state. The days of scare tactics should be over.

We can have disagreements and debates. There are legitimate differences in opinion on the environment and lots of other issues. Can't we have these discussions without the fear-mongering?

As for the particulars of the mining bill, the amendments made by the Joint Finance Committee were all positive amendments that provided the DNR even more tools to successfully site a potential iron ore mine. Many of the amendments had fingerprints from the bill proposed by Senators Schultz and Jauch.

The end bill was a result of lots of reasonable compromises. Unfortunately, Senators Schultz, Jauch and other Senate Democrats were not willing to compromise. It was their way or the highway. As we saw, Gogebic took that highway out of the state unfortunately.

Let's face the facts. Mining is one of the most regulated, if not the most regulated, industries in the world. This mining proposal would have had to garner DNR approval, Army Corps of Engineers Approval, EPA approval, US Fish & Wildlife Service approval, and would have had to meet the water quality and quantity standards established downstream on the Bad River Indian Reservation.

With all of these approvals, do we really buy into the "pollution-goes-wild" fear mongering? How can mines be sited in Michigan and Minnesota? Are we incapable of learning from their successes and their shortcomings?

It is also a fact that a mine would change the landscape. This is not in dispute.  The bill before the Legislature recognizes this fact. The bill does not change any of the off-site environmental protections.

It does, however, recognize that the ore body is located where it is. As a result, some flexibility is needed to change the landscape to get at the ore deposit.  Recognizing this fact, this bill required that the mining company avoid and minimize impacts to wetlands and navigable waters. If such impacts could not be avoided, mitigation at a rate of 1.5 acres to 1 acre was required.

It is important to note that under current mining law, no such mitigation is required. I believe this is an improvement to current mining law — don't you?   As you know, such flexibility leads to lots of speculation about what could occur. It is easy to play those kinds of games. However, this is not a game.

In the end, don't we trust the regulating agencies to do their job? On my travels throughout the state, I have found that most of the citizens of the state trust the DNR to do its job.

Why don't Democratic state senators?

Cathy Stepp, a former state senator from Racine County, is the secretary of the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.

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James R Hoffa March 13, 2012 at 03:04 am
@Bren -
That's pretty good, I give you kudos for that! However, just like Lyle, you're forgetting about the mine having to comply with federal CWA provisions
$$andSense March 13, 2012 at 03:55 am
To the "Anti-Alinsky"
"And $$, while I love my parents, I am not a momma's boy/girls. I hold down a full time job, (which is why I get up at 5:15am six days a week) belong to a local service board and have never had to self-proclaim myself as a Conservative Most everyone I meet has put that label on me. I consider myself independent with many strong Conservative leanings. " Not married and living with mom and dad, correct? Upstairs bedroom or basement Gotcha! Grow up and come back when you have some experience. The military needs bodies. Maybe Hoffa can use you in one of his/her B movies. Sorry, the world is not friendly to the young.
The Anti-Alinsky March 13, 2012 at 04:01 am
$$andNonsense, I haven't lived with my parents since I was 18 1/2 and left for college.
Wrong again. And I thought you had a problem with quoting prior posts. But what do you expect from a grumpy old Liberal whose job is to bad mouth Governor Walker by posing as a Conservative.
James R Hoffa March 13, 2012 at 04:38 am
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red March 14, 2012 at 01:38 am
There's no 10:26 entry on the Wheeler Report.
Also, contra Rep Molenski, her letter does have facts, such as all the permitting agencies for the mine - more than I had heard heretofore. Also, she cites the remediation requirement. Perhaps you really object to governing while Republican. Agree with the the lead comment on this thread. Democratic ideology is anti-private sector jobs. Make government ever bigger and slash the middle class private sector that's the way to organize the state.
red March 14, 2012 at 01:40 am
---I am 21 so I am what is talked about when people keep talking about children and grandchildren. Talking with people from Milwaukee, Madison, Twin Cities, and Chicago, WE (the children and grandchildren) wanted this. We want to live in Chicago and go to the Mall of America on a one day trip. We want to live in Milwaukee and go to school in Madison.---
These are the dreams of a one-percenter. Meanwhile all the middle class schlubs you tax to build these dreams can't afford to join you on you luxurious tax-payer supported magic carpet.
red March 14, 2012 at 01:48 am
Democrats don't want political appointments? What do you call Obama's 30 czars?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/07/list-obama-administration-czars/#ixzz1I4Lr7hjI Of course, a grounded person would realize that political appointments are how an executive asserts his or her programs on the standing (non-partisan) bureaucracy in theory. In the real world, we all know that the DNR buraucracy (which has long been considered out of control) was quite bent by Doyle.
red March 14, 2012 at 02:00 am
Your understanding is wrong....
http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/proposals/ab426 see the paragraph about mining hearing. ---She is also basically approving the mine with out even seeing the plan. See this is the point that liberals can't really understand because of the one-dimensional nature of their thought processes. T.R. alleges that that she is "basically approving" the mine. The bill that was voted down was not about a particular mine. It was about the legislative framework in which a mine would be approved. Yes, there was a mining company that expressed interest and engaged in communicating to the legislature how businesses regard the status quo (years of deliberation and law suits). But the point was to get the legislature and the DNR and the other agencies to work together to actually come to a conclusion not spend years in deliberation. But hey, Michigan and Minnesota can be business friendly and allow mining in their equally environmentally conscious states. We Wisconsinites just aren't as smart as they are.
red March 14, 2012 at 02:03 am
Lyle, the Mandarin, is all about credentialism. Because only the exalted technocrats can manage our complex society. Freedom? That's just a word.
red March 14, 2012 at 02:05 am
Sure, a billion and a half dollar investment and a company rolls the dice on one party. What a fairy tale. The democrats have two motivations: punish Walker and expand the size of government by retarding the private sector.
red March 14, 2012 at 02:11 am
---How about addressing the issue itself rather than trying to pick apart a political appointee? -
Well said. The super bureaucratic combination of US EPA, US Fish and WIldlife, Army Corps of Engineers, and the Indian Tribes isn't enough to discourage a potential mining company. We need a super environmental PhD in environmental astrophysics with a minor in bureaucratic inertia, perhaps like Secretary Stephan Chu to be sure that these organizations NEVER come into alignment so people can have jobs. Like Nancy Pelosi said - foodstamps contribute to economic growth.
red March 14, 2012 at 02:14 am
Appropriate that Bren focuses on Fools Gold http://www.minerals.net/mineral/pyrite.aspx
red March 14, 2012 at 02:18 am
---Whether the mine moved ahead or not, it would be years and possibly decades before this piece of ground would become productive
Silly talk. The economic benefits would start when surveyors started doing design of the site and support buildings. Advance orders would to to Caterpillar or Bucyrus. Construction crews would arrive to put in new roads to the site. Building materials would be delivered and off loaded by new MHE. Those poor people up north.
red March 14, 2012 at 02:19 am
No salience at all. This mine planned to use mechanical extraction via magnets.
Omri Schwarz March 14, 2012 at 02:26 am
If you want to call for the residents of the Ashland area to show "flexibility," perhaps you should show some courage, or civility, or basic decency by posting your column to the Ashland Current or other local site instead of here.
Mrs. Stepp, this is a new low for you.
Dennis Grzezinski March 16, 2012 at 07:44 pm
The overburden, as much as 150 feet of rock lying on top of the iron ore, has been found to contain pyrite minerals, containing sulfur. That type of rock, after being blown to bits in order to be excavated and removed from the mine site, will then inevitably produce sulfuric acid after exposure to water and air. Don't forget, the Penoke Hills, where the mine would be located, get incredible amounts of snow and rainfall. (See the testimony of the geologist and geochemist before the Joint Finance Committee). That's why folks have been concerned about the environmental consequences of the proposed mine -- and the Assembly bill which among other things, required the DNR to approve disposal of iron mining wastes, regardless of what might be in them, in streams, rivers, flood plains, wetlands and lakes; and required the DNR to approve water withdrawals for use by an iron mine from any location and in any quantity requested, even if that would cause lakes, ponds, wells, rivers, streams, or wetlands to dry up. Go read the bill before saying how sensible and even-handed it was. It was written by and for Gogebic Mining.
CowDung March 16, 2012 at 07:51 pm
Are you referring to the 'geologist' that testified to the Joint Finance Committee whil wearing an anti-Walker T-shirt? I'm sure that he's a credible source of unbiased information...
Bren March 16, 2012 at 07:56 pm
Mr. Hoffa, check my past comments for the links to articles that connect the Koch brothers to the Tea Party. David Koch is also on record as stating his past and continuing support of Scott Walker. Nothing new there.
Bren March 16, 2012 at 07:59 pm
Red, someone with actual past experience in the field for this important agency is not too much to ask. Tourism is a huge industry in Wisconsin, creating many jobs.
Steve March 16, 2012 at 08:23 pm
How does MN and MI deal with the pyrite in their taconite mines? They are very close in proximity to this proposed site.
Pyrite oxidizes into iron when exposed to air.
Steve March 16, 2012 at 08:25 pm
Answer to what? You never answered my question:
Steve 2:31 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012 Kalen - Do you drive a car, live in a house, use electricity, or own a computer?
Bren March 16, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Mr. Hoffa, as we have observed, an accident or incident (such as the Kalamazoo, Mississippi and Colorado Rivers, the Gulf of Mexico, and Youngstown), regulations don't put the oil back in the pipes or reverse the earthquakes, or potentially in the case of this mine, put the sulfur and arsenic back from whence it came.
red, your comment doesn't make sense to me so I can't respond. Sorry.
Bren March 17, 2012 at 03:43 pm
Steve, read more about taconite mining and waste materials.
Kalen March 17, 2012 at 03:53 pm
Well stated Dennis!!!
Lyle Ruble March 17, 2012 at 04:26 pm
@AWD...How do you propose to stop Obama and the radical progressives; it seems like their luck has turned.
Katheryn September 30, 2012 at 07:26 pm
The following is an article on mining in the Temecula Patch September 2012, and you would be wise to read the article and watch the videos.
http://temecula.patch.com/articles/citizen-reader-shares-mining-sounds A good friend sent this email and said the following, "Do you think this is what happens when a mining operator/Developer seems to be in control of your elected politicians and the appointed officials these same politicians put in positions of authority. Do you think government employees have to follow the instructions of these same politicians in order to keep their government jobs? Do you wonder if someone would be fired if they didn't do what the politicians wanted them to do?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_HypxyudI&feature=relmfu Have you seen the MaryAnn Edwards video featuring the Aberhill Ranch Boys and Girls Club with Castle & Cookes aggregate mining operation in the background it's across the street. Paul Jacobs may be onto something? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhckrqXX-L4 Another video of the Alberhill Ranch Boys and Girls Club which puts things in prospective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e12kTmWvn7U&feature=related
Brenda Kay March 9, 2013 at 07:41 pm
"I have found that most of the citizens of the state trust the DNR to do its job.
Why don't Democratic state senators?" How are those frac mines doing? "the DNR expects 90 percent of companies in a regulated industry to comply with rules on their own." Sellers said. On the 12 visits(out of 70 active mines, wonder if those were the only visits last year to frac mines?) He found noncompliance to 80-90 percent of the sites. Can't imagine why there is so little trust....
Steve ® March 9, 2013 at 07:58 pm
What is a frac mine?
Robert Merlin March 9, 2013 at 08:50 pm
as a realestate agent and an enemy of the DNR. It's only fitting she gets appointed to head the DNR..Yup. Makes sense to me..
Lyle Ruble March 9, 2013 at 09:23 pm
@Brenda Kay....Are you referring to the sand mines that are mining sand that is used for fracing depleted oil wells?
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