Thanks Cynthia! Hope to see you at the next one.

Thanks!

I would hope she is, and rightfully so.

Thanks Craig!
And I am proud of myself- but I'm a whole lot more proud of the conservative force who made it what it is.

Santo-you covered it all. And with bob's contribution, we are all good. If you don't get that Bren, I'll draw you a picture.
Furthermore, there was a MININUM of 3,500 people. I would bet my life on that.

Soooooo, if you want me to draw a diagram so you can comprehend the fact that we did hit those crowd numbers, and that we had NO big organization sponsor us, let me know. I'll pull out my crayon box, and don't worry, I'll use three letter words (or less) so you can wrap your mind around it.

Noelle, what can you expect from a person that likely believes the Democrats actually submitted 1 million valid signatures? They will never admit the rally was a resounding success and stole the thunder away from the Recall. Much to the chagrin of the Left, we showed the state that indeed there is solid support for Governor Walker.

@Bren -

Many of the signs that were on display at your cherished Occupy events and recall Walker rallies were printed/provided by the AFL-CIO, the IBT, AFSCME, and even the Communist Party of America, amongst other groups/organizations. In fact, you really don't have to look any further than the videos taken from these events to see this reality, correct?

Ergo, by your own logic, "[a]ny claims that [those events are] a "grassroots" effort are compromised with the inclusion of [see above list] and the astroturf [big labor and liberal/progressive organizations]."

And why are you so concerned about the attendance figures from Celebrate Walker? I don't recall you being this anal about the number of men that were in actual attendance at the so-called 'Million Man March,' which by-the-way I'm still waiting for your tirade about how they should change the historical name of that event to the '600,000 Man March.' Just out of curiosity, will that be coming soon to a blog near us, as after all, I know how you like to be independent and fair about these kinds of issues.

@Bren, who printed and paid for all those marxist fist signs that dominated the protests in madison. And provided all those $$$ to get all those protesters there.

Considering conservatives don't chose to incite the masses with their shrieking and drumming, I would say the pro-Walker rally was a great success.

Since I didn't attend the event I have to seek out attendance counts and presented what I found online. Santo Ingrilli indicates that a company was present to take the count, and I have requested a copy so it will be interesting to see what they determined the actual count to be.

I accept Santo's assurance that AFP did not participate financially or materially in your Wauwatosa event. Please note my suggestions below to clear up confusion about this for your future activities.

Shrieking Mau?

Oh, you must have heard the counter speeches at the Capitol from Sarah Palin, Leah Vukmir and Vicky Pyzynski.

Mr. Hoffa, I believe we have resolved the issue of the appearance of AFP signs at the Wauwatosa rally, and I have offered recommendations to avoid confusion for future events.

Concerning the labor organizations that marched in solidarity with Walker protesters and Occupy, these aren't super-PACs. There's a world of difference. (And I don't have any comments to offer on any smaller groups that may have shown up.)

Concerning the attendance numbers at the rally, I focused on this because the attendance numbers seemed to be rising and I could not find an official headcount. And why are you picking on the Million Man March event?

mau, I believe the fist signs are union, not Communist posters. If you can provide links to the images you are describing I'll be happy to take a look if that helps.

I wasn't there. I am sure she was shrieking (and I know that is how she talks) to get over the shrieks and drum beating of the anti-Walker people, who are never courteous enough to let anyone with differing views speak.

Here's your fist that you say didn't have a history in socialism and communism.

http://general-history.com/the-swastika-and-the-clenched-fist/

http://www.docspopuli.org/articles/Fist.html

I provided my links now please provide me with links that says it isn't.

mau, I thought we were discussing specific posters at the Madison protests. Indeed the fist has been used to convey strength/solidarity in numerous proletariat movements over the centuries.

Here's a link to an example image I found of the Madison protests-the poster with the fist also includes the word, "union." http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbula/5462514683/

To whom does this refer and did they provide loans or donations: "The rest was loaned by several organizers in the position to so."

Santo, the company that estimated the crowd apparently did not distribute the numbers as I could not find an official count. Please provide a link to the company's report-thanks.

Concerning your "brainwashed sheep" comment, I stated that the event was compromised with the presence of AFP material. When planning an event like this it is important to coordinate your materials to maximize the opportunity. If I had been organizing this event it would have been all about hand-made signs to go with your bake sale and you really needed more than 3,500 people to make an impact. You've got to get into the "boots on the ground" concept because compared to the tens of thousands who showed up in Madison and for the Occupy Movement worldwide, 3,500 doesn't really imply commitment. We both know there are more than 3,500 Republican and conservative independent voters in the Milwaukee suburbs.

I haven't actually read Alinsky myself so I'm not sure what you're referencing. For your next event, definitely keep the AFP crap away if they aren't giving you $ (you see how the media focused on the extreme signs in Madison last year, and how it was on the first photo of your event I looked up). Keep the bake sale. And I would add courtesy to the menu as well. Namecalling isn't persuasive. I just wish that you would review the facts of the Walker administration before you proceed.

Concerning the "union blue fister swag," I will let that comment stand on its own. I don't belong to a union.

@Bren -

What's next and where does it stop with you? Checking the clothing that people attending the events are wearing to make sure that they contain an approved message and appropriate symbolic characteristics? Because in case you didn't realize it, a vast majority if not all of your Occupy brethren were wearing clothing that was manufactured overseas in outsourced factories - not a very good message to be sending, especially when I thought that they were claiming to be against that sort of thing.

I also saw a lot of Nikes, Reeboks, etc at those events and very few US made New Balances or Allen Edmonds. In case you didn't realize it Bren, Nike and Reebok don't exactly pay what you and I would consider to be a fair wage, not to mention that I thought you were anti exploitation of child labor.

Shouldn't you be 'shaming' the Occupy people for such blatant disregard and hypocrisy instead of celebrating them as you do?

I'm really confused here Bren, could you assist me in understanding the point that you're trying to make here, as all I honestly see is hypocrisy and double standards.

Mr. Hoffa, I surmise you haven't done much event planning. You have to have a goal and strategy in place to achieve that goal. That includes figuring out the who and why of your invite list, what the event looks like, energy level you want, and your take-away.

Taking the rally event as an example, their take-away (I believe) was "Scott Walker has widespread grassroots support." It's a good take-away. The bake sale moved that forward, good photo opp there. The issue started with the outdoor venue. Inevitable comparisons would be made to other outdoor rallies. Personally I would have tried for a school gymnasium to avoid the comparisons, great acoustics, full room, good photo opp. Even better if it spilled outside.

The next issue was the signage. I recognized the AFP products immediately as I'm sure others did, and I said, having that group association compromises the grassroots effect. Hence my suggestion to move away from AFP materials.

Now about the Occupy Movement, it is compelling because it defies SOP. If you're truly asking for my analysis of Occupy/99% Movement, I would say that many of us really haven't given much thought to where our shoes, etc. come from. Most of the people in that movement have lost or are losing their homes to foreclosure, have crippling student loan debt, etc. They're angry that Wall Street disrupted lives. Yes, they bought the shoes or cell phones, and so did we. Now we're all learning about exploitation of foreign workers for profit.

@Bren -

"… I would say that many of us really haven't given much thought to where our shoes, etc. come from. Most of the people in that movement have lost or are losing their homes to foreclosure, have crippling student loan debt, etc. They're angry that Wall Street disrupted lives. Yes, they bought the shoes or cell phones, and so did we. Now we're all learning about exploitation of foreign workers for profit."

How could you and the Occupy crowd have not realized the direct consequences of your own actions earlier? Honestly, the only time you stop to consider the ramifications of your consumerist actions is when it directly impacts your own wallet?

That's a pretty selfish and self-centered position to be taking, don't you think?

So, essentially what you appear to be saying is that the Occupy crowd is composed of nothing more than a blissfully ignorant and plausibly denying bunch of passing-the-buck finger pointers that prefer the solution of throwing stones at others as opposed to looking in the mirror and fixing the problems within themselves first and foremost.

Do you honestly think that's the best approach in attempting to arrive at long term and viable solutions that will solve the problems of our nation? I thought that the solution begins with the individual, but you appear to advocate for skipping over the individual, eliminating them from the equation all together, as they are the poor good guys, while instead preferring to attack your declared group of boogey-men, such as the Koch Bros, because after all, they're nothing but pure evil.

Honestly Bren, does the stuff you come up actually make sense to you when you type it?

Mr. Hoffa, I think it is fair to suggest that many Americans have accepted product availability at face value--and I have been equally guilty at times. I would further suggest that the recession has been a harsh wake-up call for a lot of people, at many levels. The recent outcry over Apple products allegedly being made at a factory in China (FoxConn) that employs children as young as 12 to work shifts up to 34 hours long, has resulted in thousands of angry emails to Apple. That's why they are having an independent agency review conditions at FoxConn.

Corporations exist to make profit and people like bargains. We're all responsible, but I will say that profit-making has been taken to an inhumane level in some instances. Is it going to turn around in a day? No. Are there some people who are fine with the status quo? Sadly yes. But change has to start somewhere.

I can't speak for the Occupy Movement, although I know that there is anger at big banks for taking bail-out money and then foreclosing, sometimes illegally, on taxpayers' homes. More power to them for keeping this issue at the forefront.

I won't respond to your comments about evil Koch brothers and boogey men, or about the "sense" of my writing. I'm sorry you feel the need to "speak" to me this way because I don't always agree with you.

@Bren -

I apologize for calling your sensibility into question. It wasn't appropriate and uncivil of me to do so, for that I am sorry.

Sometimes it gets a little frustrating to constantly hear how we are all part of the problem, as I've been an extremely conscientious consumer all my life and therefor don't consider myself as having ever been part of the problem. 70% of my purchases are either American made or hail from fair-playing competitors. If more people had consumed as I did, do you really think that we'd have many of the problems that we're faced with today?

Bob Dumke, without a link to their comments or the officers' names so that their estimates can be verified, this is hearsay and debunks nothing. If you had read my post carefully, I indicated that "actual attendance for the Walker rally couldn't be confirmed-generous estimates were placed at 2,500, and conservative counts at about 1,000." I did not attend the event so cannot comment personally on actual attendance.

"Brainless," "degenerate liberal hacks," "brainwashed sheep," "union blue fister swag," Noelle, I hope you are keeping a tally of the insults and which side of the Walker recall argument they are coming from.

Spoken from the queen of insults.

I don't call people names, mau. And your categorization is wrong. :-)

I didn't say name calling, I said insults.

I try not to insult people, mau.

And I’ll bet those 2 (or 3) police officers had more problems with the 100 or so protestors that showed up than the thousands there to support Scott Walker.

So calling people thugs is all Mister Rogers like?

@Keith Schmitz -

That's funny, cause you're the first person to mention the word 'thug' on this entire board.

So what exactly is your point here?

Looks like someone is trying to be incendiary - be honest here Kieth ;-)

Come on pal. Like you've never read the righties using that word umpteen thousands of times on Patch.

I make take issue with everything you say but I'd never call you dumb.

BTW breaking news. Michelle Litjens is one of three GOP state legislators not running this year. She is leaving the state assembly to spend more time with her family screaming at them.

If things were "working" they'd be running again.

Now here comes the fun part. Reading all the really creative excuses.

@Keith -

I may disagree with you more often than naught, but I've never once called you dumb, nor have I ever referred to anyone as a 'thug.'

Perhaps the legislators you're referring to were just never interested in being career politicians, as hard as that may be for you to accept. Your faulty logic on this issue clearly does not support the conclusions that you've made.

So, what's your excuse? Maybe you should try the bran muffins, as McBride has suggested - I hear they do wonders!

-Shouting down 14 year old girls with profanity laced tirades
-Booing The Star Spangled Banner
-Protesting at Special Olympics ceremonies
-Making Nazi hand gestures at ceremonies dedicated to war veterans
-Disrupting MLK Day ceremonies
-Assaulting state legislators
-Democratic state legislators making death threats toward Republican legislators
-Breaking and entering at the Capitol building
-Assaulting police officers in attempts to gain access to the Capitol building after hours
-Stalking a state Senator across the Capitol grounds while yelling profanities at him
-Doctors handing out fraudulent sick notes so teachers could skip work and neglect the children they’re supposed to be teaching

Ever since the left decided these types of behaviors are ok, we’ve decided that it’s ok to call them what they are.

I'm afraid so.

Satori, it is when everything Noelle writes get constantly attacked. See I have been playing the politics game my entire life and I can see exactly what is going on here. Noelle could write a review on a children's play and the liberals would go after her. At this point it has nothing to do with the content of her opinion pieces. it has everything to do with attempting to silence her with their constant attacks. I will not sit idly by and watch the union goon squad and those who support them, subvert the voice of a conservative. I am merely attempting to level the playing field my friend. We are silent no longer so either learn to play nice or get ready to have some of your crap thrown back at you. It really is that simple.

Unfortunately, yes.

Yes, Santo, what could possibly be inflammatory about this: "The term, when I first heard it, reminded me of some sort of hippie revolution. I pictured tree huggers minus the bras, all singing to the rhythm of their sway. In my minds eye, I imagined them holding signs that said things like, "Grassroots For World Peace."

Admittedly, a make-love-not-war type of occurrence I want no affiliation with."

Noelle sets the tone and the maturity level and it devolves from there.

Yes, normal.
And atthec44, you are too sweet. Thanks.

Is this board honestly going to turn into another flame war?

Remember pro-Walker supporters - we have the IDEAS on our side.

So why do we need to lower ourselves to the antics and tactics of the other side? After all, while it may start with name calling out of retribution, what would it lead to next - banging on drums and blowing on plastic horns? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm only good at playing the keyboard/synthesizer, and even then questionably so.

Letting liberals get to you leads to calling liberals names. Calling liberals names will inevitably lead to drum banging and blowing on plastic horns. Drum banging and blowing on plastic horns will inevitably lead to getting fake sick notes from your doctor to skip out on work. Getting fake sick notes from your doctor to skip out on work will inevitably lead to getting fired from your job. Getting fired from your job inevitably leads to taking government assistance just like a liberal. Taking government assistance just like a liberal inevitably leads to voting Democratic.

Don't lead yourself to eventually voting Democratic. Stop calling liberals names today! Or at least switch from your current cable provider to DirecTV and save!

- Does anyone know if Patch is paying for the subtle product placements / endorsements in comments yet :-)

Yeah, ideas that date back to the 1890s when it comes to economics and the middle ages when it comes to science.

Nice job person who will not use his name in calling off the name calling and then drawing the standard right wing cartoons of liberals. Next time, try harder.

Hoffa, great insight. We must not lower ourselves to that level. We will win this fight with the facts on our side.

@ JRH, doesn't every board get that way with some of these posters.

"We will win this fight with the facts on our side."

Thanks. I'm so relieved. Let us know that starts.

Looks like we’ve got more boorish behavior from earlier today that we can add to my list above.

-Holding a loud rally (without proper permits) in the Capitol rotunda while weddings (with proper permits) are supposed to be taking place

Satori, after a while it gets tiresome being the adult in these conversations. Republicans can only take the high road for so long before we let loose... get used to it, from here on out it's only going to get worse.

Happy Valentine's Day! :)

Is that kind of like "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again" ?
;)

Keith, you bring up this 1.9 million signatures. Are you aware that people that signed Walker petitions also signed Kleefisch? So, let's cut that number in half for augments sake. Then you are assuming that they are all valid...there are thousands that have been found invalid for one reason or another. So the real number is much lower. You said that very little money was spent? Are you kidding? The Unions sank millions into this whole recall process. The State Democrat Party was deeply entrenched in United Wisconsin's efforts. So, before accusing our Rally of not being grassroots, look in the mirror. Now regarding those assaults on circulators, do you realize that the Unions have been assaulting the taxpayer for decades?

I may use a reference when you, Bren, or the group of patch trolls get on a roll- and that 'name' (ie: sad, angry little liberal) is always, clearly directed right at you. But name calling in general, not likely. Certainly not off patch.
Furthermore, aside from the fact I am well trained in self defense, have my cc, and am one hell of a shot (to add fuel to your fire when you call me sarah noelle palin)- I have never threatened ANYONE- much less physically assaulted anyone. You are a joke- there's a name calling for you, and right at you Keith. On the other hand, the threats on my life are adding up, and will make a nice little piece. I wonder who is so wreckless they make open death threats or put them in writing? The left, that's who. And that, my friend, is a fact.

I am sorry you are getting threats Noelle. They are inappropriate but hey, welcome to the bigs.

I get threats too, all the time. So do every Democratic official.

But you know what. We don't whine about them. It comes with the territory. If you can't stand the heat...

Keith, I'm not whining about the death threat, I was simply responding to another one of your goofy accusations. I think you'll be the one whining soon enough mr. 1.9 million signatures. What a laugh.

Santo, we had to sign separate petitions for Walker and Kleefisch so there will be a higher number of signatures than souls.

Understood--I'm glad you kept the super PAC out of it. Citizens United is hurting our political process.

Thanks so much Matt. Stand strong!

And Matt, I realize I may have come off sarcastic with my "stand strong." and I wanted to clarify. It seems you believe in something, opposite of me, yet you regard me with respect. After my run ins with the left lately, it's nice to know liberals with class exist. I nearly forgot on these threads. That's unfair to you really. Anyway, I wanted to clarify. I genuinely appreciate your words. You make the left look much better than the others on this thread. Thanks again.

@Sam J. -- People all over the country are watching and they support the progressive citizens of Wisconsin who have stood up to Scott Walker and said, "No, you can't do that." I'd be careful about asserting that MOST of the country is on Walker's side.

We all want to see better times -- for everyone -- and we disagree on how to achieve that.

Actually people all over the world, as evidenced by the pizza orders that came in to Ian's on Sate Street from dozens of countries. I travel a lot and when people hear I'm from Wisconsin, they congratulate me for what we've done.

By the way. Happy anniversary. One year ago after Walker kicked over the hornet's nest this is the day that the people started occupying the Capitol.

Keith -

Do you also celebrate the day in history that Paris became "occupied?"

Just wondering.

@JRH -- I'm happy if Paris is occupied. I think he had entirely too much time on his hands.

@Randy1949 -

Boy, I guess I kinda walked into that one, hey?

Paris needs to be occupied randy? Really, look back and see who need occupying. And I ain't talking about wall street or Paris.

@JRH -- We could be like a bi-partisan Abbott and Costello.

@JRH -- Definitely not Cheech and Chong. For the record, I was making a play on words, and if Hoffa sets up a joke for me, I'm going to knock it out of the park.

@Noelle -

Randy1949 is a pretty good guy. He was just having a little fun with me and the board, as I'm 100% positive that nothing personal was intended against Paris. Sometimes we get a little goofy here on Patch :-)

@Randy1949 -

Either that or Laurel and Hardy! Then again, if we could get either McBride or Lyle on board, we'd have a nice Three Stooges thing going on :-)

Thanks princess for stooping to their level to defend the honor of all of us.
And I will keep at it! The more they get irritated, the more I will write.

Lyle just now discovered my affiliation with SGP and Waukesha Tea Party. Must be a little slow on the uptake. Either way, he said "spread the word!". But I wonder if he knows that's common knowledge? I guess not, but there's no one to spread it to. Anyway, I think I will write another blog right now. I suddenly feel inspired...

@Noelle Lorraine...Why would I know what your affiliations are? Quite honestly I had never heard of you until your posts and obvious involvement with the rally for the governor. However, now that I know then I see your politics in a different perspective. I like a healthy discussion of the issues as long as the parties treat each other with respect, which I now see that you have difficulty with. I find your snarky responses as most inappropriate whenever someone opposes you or your position.

@Lyle, there's that name calling again "snarky". I always like reading your comments and having banter back and forth with you. Even if we don't always agree we seem to have some common ground especially in the approach to education. But I am surprised that you have fallen into the name calling games too.

@mau...Snarky doesn't denote a name but a type of communication loaded with disdain, sarcasm, cynicism and put down. If you claim that liberals fear strong conservative women, then that is snarky. If I said to you that conservatives fear intelligent women, then that would be snarky.

Of course I know a number of strong women, my wife and three daughters would top the list. However, I don't categorize a woman as being strong based on their political orientation and I tend to stay away from labeling people as wacky or nutty, etc. Of all the current conservative female pundits currently making the rounds, I enjoy Anne Coulter the most. I find her to be outrageously funny. She is quite an entertainer. What I find the most interesting about any person is their intelligence and their ability to have a meaningful exchange.

@Lyle, aren't pretty much all pundits and movement leaders showing "disdain, sarcasm, cynicism and put down", on either side. The only place I don't seem to find this a dominating factor is on PBS. Even though I by no means agree with their position, I can sit a listen to them. That is not the case, particularly in talk radio from either side.

I've worked on cleaning up my verbal rhetoric, I will attempt to do the same with the tone of my comments.

@Mau -- Not at all. I see most conservative pundits like Charles Krauthammer and Michael Steele making their points without implying that those who don't agree with them are stupid, childish, or looking for a free handout. No talk about 'whining', 'bra-less', or needing more fiber in the diet.

@Keith Schmitz...It seems our little Noelle Lorraine is a "ringer". She is the Wisconsin State Coordinator for Smart Girl Politics. The idea that this was a truly grassroots movement unattached to any national organization is incorrect. SGP is also very closely aligned with the Tea Party. If you're a true independent conservative, don't get sucked in by this national organization. Spread the word!

Ohhhhh big detective eh? I AM STATE COORDINATOR OF SGP AND FOUNDER OF WAUKESHA TEA PARTY!!!! That's common knowledge you rocket scientist. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. Day late and a dollar short again Lyle. But good to hear some excitement in your voice. The two organizations contributed NOTHING. DING... DING.... we DON'T have a winner this time. Try again!

@Lyle...I have noticed that Noelle doesn't go to your blog and takes shots at you there....
I am fairly sure she isn't an ex daughter-in-law...
Is there more to this story that some of us are not privy to?

Craig, good point. Lyle and Keith seem to have made my blog a full time gig. I swear I'm not paying them... (Neither is SGP or Waukesha Tea Party). I would sooner pay for spoiled milk. And to answer your question, you're correct, I'm no ex-inlaw. Absolutely not! Thanks for the very valid point. Seems they have it out for me.

I think I'll write everyday. I suddenly feel inspired.

@Lyle .... You finally caught up, huh? Next time ask, and we'll tell you what we already know. Sometimes you are too occupied with your lib speak to see the trees for the forest.

@Craig...I have a genuine curiosity about what the extreme right is thinking and saying. In the first place, Noelle wouldn't bother to read my blog because it deals with issues that would either be too complicated for her or directly opposes her positions. Though, I would welcome her involvement. I will now continue to follow her since I know her connections. I have to let you know that SGP is an extreme right wing organization and Noelle's positions are definitely part of the kool aide espoused by the Tea Party.

@lyle, complicated? If you mean that I cannot wrap my mind around YOUR logic- well, then, complicated it is. To be truthful, I find it a dull waste of time. I didn't want to be rude, but your comment demanded explaination.
Second, what was it you said about ME taking the time to research? And it was YOU who just now discovers the groups I'm affiliated with. You've been commenting on my stuff since I starting writing for patch. And furthermore, Lyle the slueth- SGP is not extreme right- as a matter-of-fact, it is nonpartisan. Nice work once again.
And still... No winner! Come on Lyle- one more time!

A lot of times this background` stuff on posters and irrelevant and harassing, but this one is relevant Lyle.

Noelle wants to come off like some kind of citizen grassroots person, but looks like there is more than meets the eye.

Well is she is going to sells us out at least she is might as well get paid for it.

Good job Lyle.

As someone who does grassroots and does it as a citizen volunteer for no pay, this is really low.

" I AM STATE COORDINATOR OF SGP AND FOUNDER OF WAUKESHA TEA PARTY!!!!"

Kind of on the order of Frau Blucher, "he vas my boyfriend."

@Keith -- Cue the rearing horses.

Lyle: I read your blog and we rarely agree on anything, but I respect your point of view. Typically you are not disrespectful of others when they have a differing opinion.
I am just trying to understand the contempt, and the reasoning behind it. I don't think it is because Noelle is female, but I am at a loss....

And Keith reaches all time low.

@Craig...Lord knows I don't have a problem with women and certainly not Ms. Lorraine. What I have a problem with is that many of us are trying to raise the level of what's appearing in the Patch and prevent it from constantly turning into "flaming sessions" between the opposing sides. What I have been able to observe to this point is that everything that she has posted is incendiary in nature. I guess I don't understand her attitude of hate toward people that don't share her views. My experience is that even if you don't agree with someone, if you treat them with respect they return it in kind. This appears not to be part of Noelle's nature.

In her post about Lincoln freeing the slaves, it was not only inaccurate but she wasn't open to correction. I am not used to that kind of arrogance and total lack of respect for others.

Lyle, what you perceive as a lack of respect on the part of Noelle is I think more an overall cluelessness. When she writes, I feel like she has pom poms nearby.

Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, Ann Coulter, Michele Malkin, Atlas Juggs, Marcia Blackburn, Leah Vukmir, Vicky Pyzynski, Michelle Lutjen. Yup. Hot and nutty.

@mau...i thought you were above such snarky comments. I am someone who appreciates strong intelligent women. I find that individuals whose claim to strength is because of their verbosity, cynicism and sarcasm are not demonstrating strength but an undeveloped mind.

True Mau!

And what do all the women keith listed have in common? Women he could never have.

@Keith -

Perhaps I could help you.

When I signed up for Tea Party Harmony, based on your recommendation, they gave me a coupon for Progressive Party Harmony. As I won't be using that coupon, I was wondering if maybe you might be able to, although I don't think that the women you'll find over there will be as "hot" as any those you named off here, they'll probably be even 'nuttier,' which must be exactly how you prefer em!

Just trying to help ya out bro!

Thanks for thinking of me pal. On this Valentine's day very happily married to a wonderful woman.

Like that? Here's one for noboma and bunch others here -- http://tinyurl.com/3g7teqe.

And for Jan Brewer fans -- http://tinyurl.com/6p9al3z.

There's a bunch more.

@Lyle, this comment was not meant to be snarky. There must be some conservative woman who you and Keith can name, that you respect. If not, then indeed, my comment was right on.

It is the media and liberals who paint these women as nutty. They don't do the same for liberal women. Do you ever see them plaster the air waves with misspeaks from Hillary Clinton, Kathleen Falk, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Michele Obama......or even the president himself. They had no problem airing G W Bush's misspeaks.

Another generalization. "There is nothing that threatens liberals more than a strong conservative woman." Where is the documented evidence to support this assertion?

But a "conservative" woman I can respect is Betty Ford. By sharing her struggles with the world, she taught society to empathize, not ostracize or "cover up."

@Bren, document document document, you can't even document your own statements. I don't need to justify to you, every statement I make.

mau, I provide links or sources to factual statements, as others who read my comments on Patch might attest.

You mentioned in another post that you were working on your "tone." I have to point out that making negative, unfounded assertions doesn't help.

Mau, it seems Bren has a little obsession going on with you and I. Wow.

@Noelle, mau is knowingly nodding and smiling :)

NEVER heard of it!!!!!

Thank you. Hopefully, I can get it in Netflix?

Check the second to last paragraph of the blog review - it contains all the release info on the film reviewed and how to go about finding a copy.

Thanks for the interest!

What's your all time favorite movie?

@Noelle -

That's a tough one. I have a feeling that most of my fellow Patchers would expect me to answer with DeVito's 'Hoffa' (1992), and while I do consider that film to be a masterpiece, it's not really my favorite by a long shot.

Nailing it down to one all time favorite is far too difficult of a task - you ask far too much of me :-)

But I do have an all time favorite performance, and that would be from none other than Mr. David Bowie for his portrayal of Jareth the Goblin King in Jim Henson's timeless 'Labyrinth' (1986). What can I say, I'm a product child of the '80's!

Do you have a favorite?

'Fargo'. I like a lot of movies, but that one leaps to mind.

JRH -- you review that one, or Billy Wilder's 'Some Like It Hot' and we're on!

@Randy1949, now that one would generate some discussion. Fargo was a great movie. I tried to watch Simone last night. I ended up scanning through most of it. One of the worst movies I have ever seen Al Pacino in. Tonight I hope to finish Scarface.

I was never particularly big on 'Fargo,' which is saying quite a bit considering that I'm a huge Stormare fan. The story and direction let me down and I was left feeling that the supporting cast was grossly under-utilized. Maybe it's just that the Coen's style isn't really cohesive to my personal tastes and preferences.

@mau -

Yeah, 'Simone' was a big let down, as there was so much potential with the story and cast. Apparently, the film was supposed to be far more surreal and less dark comedy, which in my honest opinion would have been the better direction to take it in, but the studio heads, in their infinite wisdom, interfered and changed the script in the final hour on mass marketability concerns. What was left was a character driven story without any real focus that felt like it was constantly fighting itself over what kind of picture it actually wanted to be.

@Noelle -

Sorry if I accidentally hi-jacked a thread on your board - I was only intending to do a little shameless self-promotion for my movie blog :-)

Wow. Aside from conservative values, we share the love of Labyrinth. I had to chuckle because I heard "dance, magic, dance! Jump, magic, jump!" as soon as I heard the title of that movie. Being a child of the eighties myself, and the oldest of five, and built in babysitter, that was played more than a few times in our house.

If I am in a melancholy mood, I like 'Hope Floats like most women. I also replay 'Practical Magic' and 'Some Like it Hot'. Some other favorites are, 'Interview With a Vampire' and more recently, 'New Years Eve'.

Hoffa, please! After all of the valuable contributions you bring to the table on every patch blog, I deputize you to shameless plug on mine until your hearts content!

Besides, sometimes the diversion is appreciated greatly. So by all means, hijack all you like!

@JRH, I was surprised the were so many goof ups in Simone. In the beginning Pacino's character said he knew nothing about computers. Then when he got the program he was an expert on the computer. Did you notice him putting the hard drive, that held the program, into the cd/dvd drive? Then I think the disk he used to spread the virus was one of those old 5" floppy disks. And at the end the daughter just had to push one button to restore Simon who had been wiped out with a virus. Wish our computer worked so easy :)

@Noelle -

Bowie is definitely an icon - hypnotic in everything he does. He just has one of those entrancingly mysterious personalities that come along only once in a blue moon. I really wish that he had done more lead acting, as his film appearances are so rare, but always welcome.

Here's a confession I don't make everyday - I wanted to dress/appear similar to how Bowie's Jareth does in the masquerade ball scene for my wedding. Needless to say, my ex-fiancée didn't care much for the idea, but since we ended up not getting married, I don't think she has anything to complain about :-)

When I first saw your pictures here on Patch, you actually reminded me of Jennifer Connelly.

Other favorites: Blood and Roses (1960), Casual Sex (1988), Cloak and Dagger (1984), Creator (1985), Dreamchild (1985), Legend of Sirius, The (aka: The Sea Prince and the Fire Child) (1981), Summer Story, A (1987), Three O'Clock High (1987), Among Giants (1998), Crying Game, The (1992), Lolita (1997), Mystery Date (1991), Waterland (1992), Adventureland (2009), Crying Out Love in the Center of the World (2004), Hot Rod (2007), Party Monster (2003), Secretary (2002), The Man From Elysian Fields (2001) … the list is endless!

@mau -

I tend to overlook things like that, as to really enjoy a film you have to approach it with a certain suspension of disbelief - especially with some of the films that I tend to most enjoy :-)

@JRH, it was hard to overlook because I am such a huge fan of Pacino and it was so below his quality of work.

I've always been a huge fan of David Bowie quirky music like Space Oddity. One of my favorite movies The Crying Game music by Boy George.

KEITH , YOU MUST HAVE MEANT "much to be said for my grassroots!"

BOB, is the beer going down easy?

We need spellcheck? "No where", or "nowhere?" Furthermore, to be technical, "teabagger" is not a word either (to no surprise)- and then we have your punctuation and sentence structure issue too. Normally, I'm not one to be overly critical about these kind of things, however, when you throw stones from quicksand, I must sink you.

As far as your little beer problem, there's a 12 step program for that. Do you think the rest of your people like the fact you speak for them when you make your boastful beer claim?

last, I heard they're giving out free eye exams to liberals because they seem to not be able to count past 1000. Well, that or... Sylvan. Wait, out-of-state, and off-the-books paid protestors already get free government health care don't they? I apologize, please disregard.

Please don't drive while you drink you beer. Remember, keep your head, don't drink and drive.

Bob, based on your parameters, virtually nothing falls into the category of "grassroots".

The whole argument is a bit ridiculous. Look at the last series of recalls. What was it - $80MM poured into the state, pretty much evenly split down the middle? It doesn't matter where it starts or whether or not one side can lay claim to having more street cred than the other, ultimately what drives the effort is big money and professional politics. The purists may get a certain amount of personal satisfaction out of taking their vow of poverty on the limited local level, but the bottom line is that by the time we get to election day, both sides will have spent ridiculous amounts of money obtained from sources big and small.

Anytime Santo.

It's my honor to know you.

Are you really promoting the use of personal attacks on a community forum? You yourself tout your leadership skills but something here doesn't jive.

@Noelle -- Are you really bringing attention to circumstances from Keith's personal life in an attempt to discredit him? I would very strongly suggest you not go there.

There is no need on a public forum to attack someone personally. It is childish. Posting a youtube segment and claiming it to be someone else can be construed as bullying and may end up getting you in trouble with the law. You should be respectful...both sides.

@Jessica S. -- Banter is one word for it. Mine would be 'taunt'. Which of course leads to traded jibes on the level of Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.

I sense that Noelle is going for a career in political activism, and unless it's political activism of the sort found on talk radio, it might be best to tone the attitude down a bit. Respectable conservative pundits will simply state the case and let the facts speak for themselves.

Jessica imagine devoted easily 20 hours a week for a month for no pay to an event. A event that went off without a glitch and was attended by more people than you could of ever imagined. Then imagine an entire political apparatus trying to destroy said event and then imagine people trying to bastardize the event by labeling it something it was not. You would be a little on edge too. Also remember that people like Noelle and myself are constantly harassed on Facebook, chat rooms ,etc...Also keep in mind that we have received threats both veiled and unveiled against us and our family. Little stupid stuff like cars pulling up across the street from your house to take pics of your family etc...This stuff adds up and perhaps we are a bit more defensive than we should be.

@Santo Ingrilli...Threats veiled or unveiled are absolutely inexcusable and cannot be tolerated. Questioning validity and intent is acceptable as long as it's done in an acceptable and respectful manner. However, treating others with disrespect and disdain only incites others, which creates conditions where each side stops listening or reading the positions of the opposition and sinks to a level of conflict found most often in the halls of a middle school. I appreciate your acknowledgement that perhaps you have been overreacting and I look forward to your continued comments.

Jessica, you're Right. I shouldn't be stooping to the lowly tatics that have been pulled on me. I apologize if my banter has turned you away from me in any way. I hope not. I understand how it could. Santo said it best when he said perhaps we get to defensive because of all the things we deal with for speaking our mind about conservative politics. We let no one silence us, but it has been particularly harsh from the other side and the harassment they dish out. However, I realize that I should let it in one ear and out the other. I admit, that's tough at times. It is my plan to continue writing here, among other avenues too. After you pointed this out from a conservative standpoint, I will try to disregard assaults from the others, without response, the best I'm able.

Noelle: Defending yourself does not require an apology. Much can be said about a good defence is often just a better offence. The facts are on your side, as long as you are not deliberately twisting the facts- let them have it.
Debate is good for politics, it weeds out those who are unable to think for themself and drank the cool aid so to speak.

Mike, this is eloquently stated. Our state, country and economy are suffering from loss of balance.

Bren, my primary goal is, to say all those things that are hush-hush- all the things many of my conservative comrades think but don't dare say because of the way liberals carry on. Remember , we are- no were- the silent majority. Who would take out a blog page with the sole purpose of offending people? Well... Never mind. Either way, it's not like I hold a gun to someone's head to comment is it? They come on over to everything I write and let the insults fly. And that's fine, but certainly, if you can dish it- be ready to take it too, and without sniveling. You know what they say about giving someone enough rope right? Eventually, they hang themselves. And so goes the story.

Bren,You want condescending arrogance, You got it. The first thing I have to say is- you clearly need a life. You're so focused on me, you count my comments? And then do the percentages of what's naughty, and what's nice. Spare me the 'I was making a point' argument. You made a point alright. You obsess over my every word. I can't keep up to the 2 or 3 comments to every one of mine. But, I don't care enough to count them, and create a spreadsheet. And the other comments in the last rambling rant you concocted, my response is simple- I don't care what you think of me, my editorial style, profession, or lifestyle. You have no credibility in my world whatsoever. You throw junk at the wall to see what will stick. Maybe your feedback was considered as a worthy opponent's would be a few weeks ago. Today, after all your stone-throwing, your position, opinion, and quite frankly, you- have become insignificant to me. Sort of like a stupid joke everyone keeps telling. Did you get picked on in high school? I get that feeling, but please try to remember it wasn't me. You seem to be so angrily making points that have no... Well, point. Sorry for my intentional condescending nature. I feel it's very justified. I hope I haven't offended your sensitivities. Have a lovely evening Bren. I hope you find something, or someone to improve your chronic bad mood, with the one-up chip on your shoulder. I genuinely mean that.

Noelle, you have simultaneously missed and proven my point. It's up to Patch, the company that sells advertising on its web pages, to decide whether or not advertisers will appreciate being associated with your blog articles and comments.

Well, you could always try to recall me. Lmao

Noelle,
Who do you represent when you blog for patch and follow with an undiplomatic "LMAO". You keep doubling down on poor discourse. What people are asking of you is simple. If you wish to "present" some form of "news or information", do it with civil discourse, research, honesty, and integrity. I get that you are just a citizen, but following up a rather simple request from a "news" source with dimwitted attacks on people is really dissolving any credibility that you may have as a source of information. Fortunately for you, it only enhances your credibility with those that share your opinion and "facts".

CAT FIGHT! CAT FIGHT!
Odds are 3-1 in favor of Sarah Palin.
ROFLMAO
Randy: Place your bets now...

I'm not a wagering person. But in a battle of wits, Noelle may have brought a whiffle bat to a gunfight.

Furthermore Bren, I do believe advertisers pay prices based on traffic on website in question. Did you want to count my clicks like you counted my comments? Come on, we can do it together... 1...2...3...

Craig, you crack me up. Your comments are witty, and usually make me laugh, or smirk at the very least. And the Sarah Palin nickname? Is it the guns? Either way, she's beautiful, smart, a great voice for the tea party, and one hell of a shot, so obviously, this is quite the compliment to me!

Oh randy, I assure you, I am always armed with all I need.

I'm betting on Noelle. She seems to have the knack to agitate :) Plus she has everybody coming back for more.

Oh, how I worship Palin's intelligence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCcpJpJkmeQ&feature=fvst

Let's see, which super intelligent president said he is going to campaign in 57 states. And needs teleprompters to talk to a classroom of children.

Thanks Mau! I mean this as the most sincere of compliments- you too! I'll be happy as long as you keep coming back as my fearless, conservative female comrade!

@Noelle, I'll be here as long as they continue to beat up on you. I am sure JRH will be at your side too.

SayWhat: To be honest, I was underwhelmed at first when she was on the ticket for VP. But I watched her show and learned she wasn't your typical image of political people. Not only is she a darn good shot with large game. I saw her wield a chainsaw with a 42" bar, fish in conditions that make roughnecks stay home, and do manual labor that the average 40 something american male would be afraid of.
I think if I were in a bar fight, I would want her on my side.
That being said, I am happy Sarah (and Noelle) are GOP.
Based on the 3 years of Obama, I think either one would have served us all better.
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@Randy: I whiffle bat isn't even needed in this case.
;)

@Bren -

I find it curious how Jason Patzfahl, the "liberal living in suburbia," can regularly raise unverifiable and sometimes questionable 'facts' as well as oftentimes framing his blogs with a subtle incendiary message towards the opposite end of the political spectrum, and you're constantly one of the first ones applauding his efforts. Meanwhile, you rip on Noelle for framing her blog entries in a similar fashion, which is more likely than not because you happen to personally disagree with the message she conveys.

As far as how Noelle conducts herself in the commentary section, I don't honestly see why you're so concerned about it.

If you're trying to moderate the board for conduct, then you've been highly unsuccessful in controlling commentators from both sides, and completely silent on those espousing the leftist side of the argument in an all but civil manner.

If you really want to see how to moderate a board, you should check out the last Walker radio address transcript where we successfully got to over 230 comments with only a couple 'flamers,' thanks in large part to my efforts (admittedly, I was just fooling around to see if I could have an impact).

http://mountpleasant.patch.com/articles/governor-scott-walker-says-wisconsin-is-turning-around

Just trying to help you out :-)

My money is on Noelle with the whiffle bat, as her opponents, liberals, probably wouldn't know how to turn the safeties off on their guns :-)

BTW - I personally thought that Palin was the best thing that McCain's campaign offered!

@Satori -- Usually the kind of people who did the picking and still consider high school the glory days. It's often followed by the ever-popular, "I bet you're posting from your parents' basement."

Politics is for adults. Even when teenagers are participating, it's for teenagers who think like adults and behave accordingly. When I'm confronted with middle-school behavior, it leads me to think that the issues have been examined with and equal lack of depth.

@Randy....I have a suggestion for you and others who are frequenting Noelle's temper tantrums, leave it be. Her style only operates when she is able to suck people in to opposing her diatribes. If she refuses to engage in an adult manner, then refuse to cooperate by avoiding her rants. Eventually, the opposition will decline to nothing and she will only be preaching to the choir. That will sustain her ego for awhile, but in the long run it will not be sufficient to feed the seething beast within. I encourage you, Bren, Keith, Satori and others to not waste your intellect. Remember from the King James version of the New Testament: Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."