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Gun Control Debate

Feel free to use (or not) this space to debate gun control issues that have arisen as a result of Friday's tragic school shooting in CT.  Please respect the request of others here who have created blogs related to the shootings for other purpuses.

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Randy1949

1:27 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

As awful as that incident was, at least those children are injured rather than dead. That, unfortunately, is the difference between knives and guns. Guns are so much more efficient at ending lives.

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Luke

1:39 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

Randy,

Actually, the problem is males that are mentally ill. If someone had gotten attention for driving a car into a crowd, then people would be doing that.

Then there is the question of how to protect against such people. I suspect the solution doesn't involve any meaningful legislation, as far as prevention goes.

Luke

3:58 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

I don't know where to post this, so it is going here.

People have already begun making guns on the new 3D printers. Predictions are that the cost of those printers will eventually drop enough over the next 10 years that the majority of households will have them.

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Bob McBride

5:19 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012

3D printers is another topic you could devote a lengthy discussion to. The impact they're going to have not only on home production of guns and G-d knows what else, but in terms of replacing entire classes of employment as well, is going to be staggering. Coupled with the advancement of Siri-like technologies and the ever growing sophistication of computerization as a whole, the employment future for masses of people is going to be sketchy at best.

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jbw

12:52 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

MacGuyver didn't need a 3D printer to make guns, cannons, and various explosive devices, not to mention chemical weapons. Why can't today's psychos show some creativity, or at least learn from 80's television shows?

Also, O-M-G-to-the-O-to-the-D, yo! Which G-d is greater, the great G-d Zeus or our father G-d Jupiter? When I think of G-d, I tend to think of Mercury, or Odin, and Marry Poppins, since cleanliness is next to G-d-liness.

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Bob McBride

6:27 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Yes, but if everyone was as resourceful as MacG-yver, there would be no MacG-yver.

In this case the "-" represents a "u" that shouldn't be there. Prior to that the "-" represented an "o" that should be there, but isn't out of respect for some of regular Jewish participants during the holiday season.

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Jay Sykes

6:47 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Can a gun be fashioned from a roll of duct tape, with a Swiss Army Knife?

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Luke

7:03 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

First you make a gun into a 3D printer. Then you have everything you need to make a gun, with or without the tape.

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Jay Sykes

7:21 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

I think Mr. T did that on the A-Team, Luke;not McGuyver.

Are you mixing-up your 80's Tv shows?

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Bob McBride

7:36 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

If you made a MacGyver using a 3d printer, then you'd be set for whatever.

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Randy1949

10:34 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

@Jay Sykes -- "Can a gun be fashioned from a roll of duct tape, with a Swiss Army Knife?"

No, you need the cardboard core from a roll of toilet paper and a pack of Tic-tacs to complete the materials.

Richard Head

7:38 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Governments are still the largest mass-murderers.

Drone Control and disarm governments. Fellow citizens, as dangerous as some may be, pale in comparison to the violence of government.

Obama Murders people: Be advised: Many of these pictures are disturbing. Some of them show dead children.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/photos-pakistan-drone-war/?pid=998

U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen have caused the death of 178 children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zf8bnYF-WxE

Finally, in January 2012, President Obama --acknowledging the CIA’s drone program for the first time -- said strikes do not cause large amounts of civilian casualties. TBIJ finds that at the time of Obama’s statement, at least 284 civilians, and at least 62 children, had died from strikes sincehe came into office in January 2009.

...shrapnel and resulting blast of a missile strike on a hujra can and has killed and injured women and children in these nearby structures...Drone strikes that kill civilians also exact a substantial toll on livelihoods by incapacitating the primary income earners of families...the sound of the drones as “a wave of terror” coming over the community. “Children, grown -up people, women, they are terrified. . . . They scream in terror.” [t]hey really hate thedrones when they are flying. It makes the children very angry.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/115147268/Youth-Disrupted-Effects-of-U-S-Drone-Strikes-on-Children-in-Targeted-Areas

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Richard Head

7:51 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

A lone gunman kills 20 children in a school in America.

Americans murder 69 children and destroy an entire school.

"LONDON: It is one of the worst incidents of the entire drones campaign, yet one of the least reported. A CIA strike on a madrassa or religious school in 2006 killed up to 69 children, among 80 civilians.

The attack was on a religious seminary in Chenegai, in Bajaur Agency.

CIA drones attacked on October 30, flattening much of the school. Their target was reportedly the headmaster, a known militant. According to some reports, there was also a token late contribution to the assault by Pakistani military helicopters. But dozens of children were also killed, the youngest aged seven.

Veteran journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai, speaking to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism from Peshawar, recalls visiting the village just after the strike: “People were devastated. I met with a father who had lost two children. He was very patient, talking of how God must have willed this, but he was clearly traumatised.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/

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Richard Head

8:00 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Therefore government can't be trusted with force. Standing armies are the largest threat to citizens anywhere.

The answer isn't to take away guns - it is to increase their numbers and their presence. Those who are dangerous will act anyways - free people must be able to defend themselves and minimize damage from the rogues.

More guns! More guns! More guns! Including semi-automatic assault rifles.

It is a reasonable restriction to limit machine guns. Directed fire is much more effective than spray and pray. It will also keep collateral damage down.

Young Conservative

8:40 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Israel began the program of armed citizen guards in the schools after the Maalot massacre in the 1970s, when a large number of children were slain in a terrorist incident. The volunteer parents work in plain clothes, armed with concealed semi-automatic pistols, and are trained by Israel’s home guard. It is significant that in the more than a quarter century between Maalot and the incident mentioned above when the citizen guards shot down the terrorist in the school in 2002, not a single child was murdered in an Israeli school!

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Keith Best

9:07 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Blaming guns in this is like blaming spoons, forks and knives for making Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell fat.

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Satori

9:27 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

True. Very true. But it would have been a lot more difficult to pile on the pounds if they had to use chopsticks :)

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CowDung

9:53 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

More difficult to pile on the pound using Chopsticks? Have you ever seen a Sumo wrestler?

Bren

9:16 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Legislation is being proposed now to re-ban assault weapons, of which George W. Bush allowed to expire in 2004. Remembering why that ban was set into place to begin with it should never have been allowed to expire, in my opinion. I'm not for banning guns, but I am in favor of using common sense in what should be available to the general citizenry, average IQ 100. Factor in the attacks from the extreme right wing on social programs (that serve the mentally ill, among others), and it seems clear that it's time to toss out the special interest group (NRA) that makes life in America more dangerous than it needs to be. If we lose a few pandering politicians along the way because they have lost the NRA's support, so much the better.

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CowDung

9:18 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Had the ban on assault weapons been effective in reducing violence or made any difference at all?

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CTCMom2009

9:44 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

I would agree that assault rifles are not necessary, but banning them would not have stopped this tragedy or others like it frankly. He used 2 9mm semi-automatic handguns. The higher powered rifle was found in the trunk of the car, not used in the shooting. I just wish people would stop promoting their political agendas and focus on the families at this point.

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Craig

10:00 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

The reports I heard were different. He left a shotgun in the trunk. Killed most with his .223 bushmaster, and used the 9mm on himself.
But let's be honest here, if he only had a musket he would have made a pipe bomb with the black powder. If the school was fortified, he would have rammed the doors with his car to obtain entry.

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Steve ®

10:11 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

The "assault" weapons ban did nothing to reduce any violence. There are millions of what the libs call assault weapons in the hands of private law abiding citizens. Banning them once again does nothing for that huge population of weapons.

The far left needs to be educated on weapons before they run their silly mouths. Instead of using their heads once again they use their emotion to make the rest of us suffer under their failed utopian view.

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Young Conservative

10:16 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Hell I own 3 AR 15 type rifles and I just purchased another one today!!!

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Steve ®

10:23 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Nice, they are fun. Have you herd of the bump stock?

CTCMom2009

10:03 am on Monday, December 17, 2012

Yeah, I just read a completely different account too from the original reports that I had referred to. My original point still stands as does yours... a gun ban would not have stopped this.

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Young Conservative

3:01 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012

Paroxetine (Paxil)

Fluoxetine (Sarafem)

Sertraline (Zoloft)

Citalopram (Celexa)

Escitalopram (Lexapro)

This is the problem not guns.

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