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Are Rising Gasoline Prices President Obama's Fault?

The price of gasoline is rising, and is expected to continue to rise in the coming months, but is it fair to blame Obama for the rise in gas prices? I would start by saying presidents often get too much credit and too much blame for things that happen while they are in office.

To examine further we need to look at the three major reasons for rising prices. First, there is long term supply issue commonly referred to as “peak oil”.  Second, printing of money has some effect on prices of commodities like oil and is seen in price of gold. The third reason, and the most significant for this current increase in prices, is the heightened tensions in the Middle East. The question is what effect do Obama’s polices have on these issues?

Peak oil is the reason oil spiked to $147 a barrel in 2008. This is because the increase in the world supply of oil looked to be slowing down or close to hitting a peak. While demand, particularly from places like China, was increasing rapidly. The financial meltdown lowered demand and eased fears of actual shortages any time soon.

Obama had three years to deal with this issue. Clearly his policies of shutting down drilling in the Gulf and opposing more production are negative for oil production. He also chose to waste stimulus money chasing “Green Energy” scams. If he wanted to make a real difference to energy he could have chosen to remove barriers to building natural gas pipelines and help move natural gas as an alternative to oil, since we have abundant supplies of natural gas. Obama brags that oil production is up, but that is from private efforts despite his policies. Also, the effects of not drilling for new oil will be seen more in the future. It will take years to restore the damage done by his policies. At least 10 oil drilling rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico due to the drilling ban. These rigs take years to build.

Democrats always counter the supply arguments with there is no “Magic Bullet” and drilling would take years to have an effect on prices. There are two issues with this argument. First, if you never start you will always be years away. More importantly, there is no shortage of oil right now. Commodity traders are trading based on peak oil coming sooner rather than later or based on disruptions to supply. Because of this, if major changes are made to push peak oil out further and lessen the impact of supply disruptions, that trade becomes less popular and oil will drop in price as soon as people believe the change is real and significant.

The second reason, printing of money, has had a significant impact on oil prices, but with all the major currencies printing money it is hard to say how much of an effect this has had. Given the massive deficits and lack of real demand for treasuries, the printing of money was the only viable option in the short run. In the long run, we need a sensible fiscal policy to reduce the need for this or it will have huge impact on prices - particularly of imported goods. Obama’s total lack of concern for fiscal responsibility leaves him bearing a lot of responsibility for current price increases of all commodities, and further increases coming in next few years. This may be a huge issue, as the world economy improves and if Europe stabilizes, causing great pain in coming years. Responsible policies are needed to put us on a safer path going forward.

Finally, the huge issue creating the current move in prices is increased tensions in the Middle East. On the surface this may seem not Obama’s fault. In fairness it is impossible to predict what would have happened with a competent President on foreign policy. What we can look at are glaring mistakes. To begin with, when Obama took office he launched his worldwide “Apology Tour” sending a sign of weakness to our enemies around the world. He worked a deal with Russia to give them all they want including the missile defense shield. If you are going to give them all they want, you would think you would get agreement to avoid helping rougue nations like Iran from going nuclear. Instead, months after the deal Russia ships uranium fuel to Iran.

In addition, Obama chose not to help a revolt in Iran in 2009. This was an opportunity to maybe remove a government that is a big problem in the region.  True, there is no guarantee that new leadership would be better, but they would not likely be worse and it would have delayed their focus on being a nuclear power. Contrast this with the move to push out dictators in Egypt in Libya. Both are being replaced with governments that will be a larger headache for the US going forward. True, Gaddafi was a terrorist, but he gave up his nuclear program after the toppling of Saddam Hussein and had not been a threat since. The new leaders are forming an Islamic government that will be worse than Gaddafi in the coming years. The message has been sent if you are a ruthless dictator; antagonize the U.S., so they won’t support your opposition directly.

Compare this with good foreign policy of George H.W. Bush with the first Gulf War. That removed the threat of Saddam Hussein moving to take northern 200 miles of Saudi Arabia and controlling 40% of the world’s known oil reserves at that time. That war was likely cost effective in terms of the benefits of low oil prices in the 1990s.

Fixing the foreign policy mess at this point does not have any good options and all options may lead to higher gas prices in the short term at least.

The bottom line is Obama does deserve some blame for rising gas prices and we will be feeling the pain of his bad policies long after he is gone. It is impossible to say how much of the gas price increase is Obama’s fault, but prices are certainly higher because of his policies. Having said this, the GOP should be careful about promising price reductions. It has been said for China to have our standard of living we would need to discover another planet this size. It is quite possible we will need to increase supply and reduce consumption just to keep prices stable. On top of this, both the fiscal irresponsibility and foreign policy mess Obama created will have lasting negative effects after he is gone. Despite this,Clearly if gas prices concern you, then you should not vote for Obama whatever amount of the increase is actually his fault.

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/64

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2012/02/23/96690

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Gofaq Uurslf

5:32 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

OH NO YOU DID NNNNTTT

OH NO YOU DID NNNNTTT

Steve should be a goldsmith because this is Internet Gold. Boom.

Gofaq Uurslf

5:30 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Yes, and here's why:

Obama is a yellow-bellied, arrogant, and incompetent excuse for even a liberal. He apologizes to terrorists and bends over for dictators. He never has this country's best interests in mind. When a problem arises, he pulls an Erkel...."Did I do that?" and then blows it off with, "Ain't my fault." LOSER. ONE AND DONE.

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Keith Schmitz

7:25 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Really, what reeking disrespect. Can you prove how this is his fault?

Thought so.

If you think Mitt is going to do the job, you're dreaming. I'll bet even you don't like him.

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Bob McBride

5:35 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Keith - really? A subtitle?

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Keith Schmitz

7:23 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Nor is he the problem. Look to the oil speculators for one, who are part of the 1%.

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Steve

9:31 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Obama is part of the 1%, so using your logic we have just ID that he is the problem

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Keith Schmitz

6:20 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Well two dimensional man, there are rich people and there are rich people.

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Bryant Divelbiss

7:57 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Keith, oil speculators serve a purpose in the free market. If you really want to drive down speculation give them reasons to think future supply will be higher, or demand lower and the trade will not be so popular. Drilling bans, & focus on ridiculous solutions (ethanol, electric cars) give confidence the trade will work.

Linda Motley

8:05 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

The price of oil is regulated by the oil cartels and the oil companies. If you want to blame someone for the price at the gas pump, you start there. No president controls the price of oil and gasoline, regardless if he supports drilling everywhere or puts the environment and people's livelihoods first.

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Bryant Divelbiss

8:06 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

If oil companies control the price why did it drop to $35 in 2009? Oil and gasoline are traded on commodities exchanges, even Exxon is not big enough to control the prices. Cartels have some effect, but we saw in 2008 when they targeted $90 they could not pump enough to slow the advance. Devaluing the dollar, poor foriegn policy, and attacking supply all have significant effect on prices. Prices would have gone up with any president, but for sure they are much higher with Obama's leadership.

Bob McBride

8:30 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

No. Despite being the smartest man ever to hold the office, he has no ability to control the cost of gasoline.

On the other hand, the dumbest man to ever hold the office was able to control the cost of gasoline because of his connections to the oil industry.

(Source: Any liberal)

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bridget

9:01 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Smartest man to EVER hold the office? Highly doubtful

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Bob McBride

10:17 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

bridget, you're in danger of being labeled a TEAGopRepugliKKKan and a puppy kicker if you do not acknowledge that Jesus Jr. is the smartest man ever to hold the office.

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Lyle Ruble

4:05 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bob McBride....I beg to differ with you, Madison had to be the smartest president, but he didn't have to worry about petroleum prices either. Obama can't be Jesus Jr., that title has been taken by Rick Santorum. Obama is obviously Mohamed Jr. and he's ready to implement Shari law right after he wins his second term. Can't wait, there won't be any pork chops at Sendeks.

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Steve

4:08 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Wait so if I get married after 2013 I can beat the wife if she misbehaves?

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Bob McBride

4:11 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

It's Sendik's, not Sendeks.

I can live without the other white meat.

I see you didn't contest my assertion regarding the dumbest man ever to hold the office.

You folks sure are defensive about Jesus Jr. He's a big boy, he can fend for himself. Or not.

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Lyle Ruble

4:16 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Steve...What kind of conservative are you if don't beat your wife already. Shari law will just make it easier and more fun.

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Lyle Ruble

4:22 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bob McBride...OK, I stand corrected about the spelling of Sendiks. Still won't be any pork chops in the meat case or lard in their pie crusts.

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Bob McBride

4:26 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Lyle , "Shari" law is more likely to prohibit the consumption of Lamb Chops, not pork chops.

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CowDung

4:31 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

It took a minute to sink in, but that 'Shari/Lambchop' comment made me laugh...

Thanks, Bob.

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Lyle Ruble

4:34 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bob McBride...How do you figure that Shari law prohibits lamb chops? Muslims eat lamb, goat, beef, etc. Under Shari, we'll all have to fire up the home stills, start making home brew, and wine. I'll probably start bootlegging since our local purveyors will be out of business. Will you start saving your potato peels for me; I've got a killer recipe for vodka.

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Lyle Ruble

4:37 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@CowDung...Thanks for the tip about "LambChop". If you hadn't caught it, I would never have since I never watched her perform, my kids did though.

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Steve

2:28 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Good point Lyle. Guess it's time to buck up and think about asking that question. Thank you for the insight and it may push me over the edge for voting Obama 2012.

bridget

8:56 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Dems were quick to blame Bush when oil prices soared. Obama is an arrogant, self centered man who has done nothing but killed the spirit of Americans. Americans were always known for their spirit and enterprising ideas, but now it seems a defeatist attitude has crept in. Why work hard when you have to give so much back to the government? The government will give me what I need. Aren't you sick of it? Obamas agenda is to socialize this country and stupid people are buying in to it. The entitlement attitude is sickening, rights do not equal entitlement. Why work -Obama will take care of you! Free money, free healthcare,
He is the root of all evil in this country

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JRod

10:10 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Bridget, the spirit of this nation "broke" when president Bush sent our economy into a tail spin almost as bad as the great depression. Obama is arrogant? He has members of your party disrespecting him like no other president has been in history and he has stayed cool and collected giving us all the hope that there is at least one adult in charge. If you really believe everything you said I can safely say that you alone are breaking your own spirit.

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Steve

11:23 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

►disrespecting him like no other president has been in history

Short memory? I don't recall a movie made about murdering Obama and I haven't herd the term "obama bashing" much.

Criticizing socialist policies is not disrespect.

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bridget

12:23 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I belong to no party I vote for the person, not the party

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bridget

12:29 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

my spirit isn't broken! I'm the 1%

C. Sanders

11:41 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

It's not Obama fault.

Obama didn't learn anything about leadership, economics, energy policy, foreign policy as a community organizer. So it's not fair to blame Obama just because everything is getting worse. Let's give Obama 5 more years and maybe he'll be able to get it right as he picks up more OJT. If not, he'll at least be abvle to take the time to figure out who to blame.

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Ron Abalone

11:42 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

With gas prices going way up, it is looking like I will not be able to afford my trips to Madison until the prices come down again, if they ever do. Hmm, there was something about a high speed train a couple years ago, but the auto and oil industries won the 2010 gubernatorial election.

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Steve

11:54 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Right, that diesel powered train, or was it run on rainbows and sunshine and hope and change? I can't remember

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Ron Abalone

12:59 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Steve - Hmm...everyone knows Steve...a diesel powered passenger train wins hands down considering it is saving hundreds of automobiles (depending on the number of train passengers) driving the same distance. Sure hope you are not going to be stuck way out there where Jesus lost his shoes and $12 gas. Your property values will be going down even further. It would be even more tragic if your by a rail line without passenger service that could have been.

And it is not un-Republican to take a train, tens of thousands of them intelligently do that in and out of Chicago every day.

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CowDung

1:07 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

What is the decrease in efficiency when one goes from a 'standard' passenger train to a 'high speed' passenger train?

Another key to the equation is how many people will actually ride the train. If the cost of the ticket is more than the cost of gas, there isn't much advantage to taking the train--particularly since is isn't faster than taking a car from Milwaukee and it really wasn't going as far into Madison as most people would like to go...

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Steve

1:23 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I am directly pointing to how sarcastic or not the train wasn't built becuase of an oil/auto industry election.

More trains more diesel more profit for an oil company.
Plus you have to drive to the train station and take some transportation after you get off the train so it's a win win. We refine more diesel than consumed right now so less gasoline autos is a non factor, more diesel burning the better for an oil distributor.

Also, ticket price was more than the fuel as Craig pointed out, so you can still afford to go to Madison to visit your buddies.

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Ron Abalone

2:54 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I have heard economists say that, with the housing prices so low today, your vehicles over your lifetime are your number one cost, not deflated housing any more, as vehicle costs include much more than the cost of gas, Gas could double and it would not be that significant to the total costs of a car, just the most visible. Consider these costs for ownership beyond gas, blame Obama for these:
Purchase price, prep, sales taxes, shipping, etc. before you even drive it off the lot,
car loan interest and loan fees; depreciation from wear and tear (putting on the miles, and even just sitting, aging); depreciation from the car simply being another model year older each model year; insurance; insurance deductibles before the insurance kicks in; repairs not covered by warranty; shop hourly maintenance fees, not covered by warranty; parts not covered by warranty; extended warranty/maintenance plans; consumables like tires, oil, filters, other fluids, spark plugs, wiper blades, etc.; parking fees; auto club dues; road service if you do not join an auto club, or it exceeds the club limits; registration fees; license fees, for the car and you; traffic tickets; garage/carport/driveway; cleaning and supplies; gizmos/gadgets specific to the car or driving, e.g., radar detector, Onstar, GPS, etc.; cool after market accessories; and in addition, the increased chance of injury, death, liability beyond insurance limits, lawsuits, attorney fees, jail time, etc.
oops, out of space, bye!

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Bren

3:35 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Speaking only for myself, I would have been glad to take that train at least once/month, and was looking forward to when this train would link up to Minneapolis/St. Paul. I understood that the rail plan was modified to bring travelers to downtown Madison which would have been truly convenient.

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Steve

3:44 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I drive a pretty nice vehicle and it is $670/mo with fuel and insurance. Don't have much of any maintenance plus it has an extended warranty. $100 ded. So in my case it is not more than the house. You would have to have double the cost per month, every month to get close to the house yearly payment.

Even if you add in the taxes I had to pay on it when I purchased, yearly registration I just don't see it. Unless you own a POS and have it in the shop all the time becuase you can't do your own work, well you're just doing it wrong then because you could afford a loan on a nicer car that doesn't break down.

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Ron Abalone

4:37 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Steve - You told me you owned a small business yesterday in another blog, and you really, really support the rich (1%'ers.) and do not want to see them taxed much. That kind of fits with your apparentl naivete. Think you need to take an econ course, no make that accounting 099. You did not factor in all those auto costs, the house with deductible mortgage interest gets paid off but you generallly drive from age 16 to death, or close to it, and those auto costs just keep on truckin. Sounds like you are one of those young guys that figures what they can afford each month, and you are not seeing the bigger picture of costs over a longer period of time, even a lifetime, and what your political philosophy may cost you..
Project those monthly auto costs over 60 years or more, that is the point of those economists. You typically pay more for your vehicles over your lifetime than your house these days. And those oil guy 1%'ers know you will buy gas at a much higher cost, and blame the Democrats. You are in their pocket.

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Steve

2:50 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I said ►The rich are rich because of freedom in the market, I will defend that rich or poor myself.

No where did I say that they should "not be taxed that much" As you and I both know the rich pay plenty in taxes right now, today.

I've got econ under the belt, I own a small business that I started from scratch and has been 100% cash funded. So expenses and numbers come naturally. If we really want to split hairs in my situation that nice truck I drive is an tax deductible expense as well. Same as the mort. interest. Plus add in the $0.54 per mile that I can claim as an expense at the beg of the year. It's actually better than a house.

I can understand what they are saying only from the aspect that a car is not an asset. Most don't pay off their house in 30 years, they like to refinance all the time or build an addition. But a car is a tool to create the income that pays for the house and the hot tub and the children's future. So in a way, it is really a deprecating capitol tool.

I live about 2 years behind in actual income as my business keeps growing. I have a savings that in case it flops I could live for over 1 year without a dime in income. I reinvest almost all the profits into the company as they profit more than any stock or traditional investment in the market.

Can I afford higher gas, yes
Will my customers pay a higher price for goods I manufacture because of higher gas, yes.

C. Sanders

11:43 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

I hope Obama hands out debit cards drawn on the accounts of the 1%'ers, so that we can all get our gas for free.

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Bren

1:06 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Well, last time I filled a tank in the U.K. in 2009, gas (excuse me, petrol) prices were a lot higher. Commute distances are typically smaller than in the U.S. and the market is adjusted accordingly.

Oil is a worldwide commodity and we are all hostage to the market. The worldwide petroleum demand has increased as many U.S. factories and jobs are now located in China, India, etc.

That's an oversimplification of the situation to be sure, but if some here wish to indulge in frivolous comments at the President's expense, enjoy.

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Bob McBride

1:41 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

It was an oversimplification when the lefties were barking at Bush about it a few years back. Hopefully you made note of it then as well.

Thanks for the story about your trip to the UK and the much needed explanation of how the oil markets work. I did not know that. You're so smart.

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Bren

3:26 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Bob, the "barking" as you refer to it was because of perceived inaction, as I recall.

And you are most welcome.

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Bob McBride

3:34 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I see I'm going to have to retract the part about you being smart.

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Bren

4:01 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

So my IQ points drop when I don't agree with you? Good to know. From now on I'll ramp up my Vitamin C intake before responding to your posts to hold back the tide of inexorable ignorance.

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Bob McBride

4:07 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Anything's worth a try, I guess.

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Lyle Ruble

4:12 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bren...As a frequent traveler to Europe and an a long time resident, people get from point A to point B just fine. The only nation in Europe that drives a great deal is Germany and they even have wonderful public transportation.

I'll be happy when gas stabilizes at about $7.00/gallon. At that price people will be more open to other forms of public transportation. Now let the torrent of hate begin.

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Bob McBride

4:19 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

In lieu of the bullet train to Hell, you guys will be able to ride the 2-1/2 mile loop to nowhere downtown in a couple of years. And if you can't wait for that, there's always the Zoo train.

Democrats love trains regardless of whether anyone else wants them or needs them, or whether they go to hell and back or just from here to.....here.

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James R Hoffa

4:45 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Lyle -

You really want me to substitute my Cadillac with public transportation? I live way out in the boonies! It's about 30 miles in all directions to a metro area with a population of 3,000 people or more. So much for manifest destiny in Lyle's ideal world!

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Bob McBride

4:51 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

James, when Lyle takes over the only reason to be where you are now will be to work the fields at a re-education camp. No need for travel. When they're done with you, they'll cart you back to the communal high-rise in the back of a flatbed truck.

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Lyle Ruble

4:56 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bob McBride....If you play your cards right you can become a trustee of the re-education camp, we'll even allow you conjugal visits with Igor. I'll put a good word in for you.

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Lyle Ruble

4:59 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@JRH...Trade you Caddy for a Smart Car or a Chevy Volt if you don't like foreign. You can exercise your personal freedom.

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Lyle Ruble

5:02 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bob McBride...BTW, the communal high rise is the same design as Cabrini - Green. JRH will feel right at home.

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Bob McBride

5:05 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

...or as it will be known when Lyle's in charge, the Chevy Volga.

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Lyle Ruble

5:14 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Bob McBride...I love it, made by GM that is already partially owned by the workers. ;-D

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Bren

6:23 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Lyle, I miss the Underground more than I can say. Every time I'm stuck in traffic here I remember how quickly it's possible to travel the same distance in much less time with a bit of civic planning and social investment.

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James R Hoffa

7:33 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

@Lyle -

Does the communal high-rise have open gallery hallways/porches like the Cabrini-Extension 'Greens' or are they enclosed like the Cabrini 'Reds' - because I've only ever stayed in the 'Greens.' The 'Greens' also shared common design with the Robert Taylor and Stateway Garden projects. But not even I was adventurous enough to ever venture into Robert Taylor or Stateway Gardens - those places were deadly scary! The Black P Stone Nation / El Rukins didn't like me very much and I felt much safer on Gangster Disciple turf.

BTW - I'm surprised that your communal high-rise design wouldn't more closely reflect typical Borscht Belt resort style construction - something in the vein of the old Concord, Grossingers, Pines, or even Kutschers. Might be something to consider :-)

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James R Hoffa

7:34 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Oh yeah, I forgot to add - FREE LARRY HOOVER!!!

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Steve

2:57 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Force public transportation and small "green" cars buy raising the price of a good.

James- Lets meet up and drive our Caddies together. Mine gets 13 mpg in the city 18 on the highway. While we still can before we are forced to drive a volt or smart car.

It's going to be sad when my customer can not purchase the goods they demand and help them because I was forced to drive a volt. But in the mean time you and me lets burn all the fuel our huge engines can handle.

Alfred

1:17 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Yet 4 years ago Bren was screaming at the top of her lungs that GWBush was at fault for $4 gallon gas.. UK gas prices are higher because of punitive taxes.

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Bren

3:21 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Alfred, oil was a commodity four years ago also. Gas prices are higher in Europe and Asia overall, not just in the U.K.

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Alfred

3:29 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I know sweetheart, its because those countries are socialist and they heavily tax petro.

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Steve

3:47 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

haha. Bren, fuel prices are higher in Europe mainly because of taxes. Free healthcare and entitlements are not really free, but they wanted them to be provided by the gov.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JAQxHrtR0W4/TsO8J_18hhI/AAAAAAAAQP4/VBLU8AugWRY/s1600/gas.jpg

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James R Hoffa

4:38 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Looks like Alfred is really working the old Bogart charm!

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Ron Abalone

6:13 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

That leading Republican spokesman and "charmer", snake that is, got bitten today while blowing his horn way offkey. Ruse Limberger lost a lot of sponsors. Maybe Koch Industries can step in and advertise their multinational conglomerate.products, like gasoline.

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Steve

3:00 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

1 sponsor

But when you created a market those weak customers are ones you have to cut ties with. I do it all the time, love firing a customer because you can't please everyone. More publicity only helps his market.

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Bren

10:49 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Dropped Limbaugh sponsors to-date include Quickens loans, Sleep Train, Select Comfort, Cleveland Cavaliers (suspended, possible contract issues). Carbonite has a meeting scheduled with Limbaugh to discuss the negative responses they have received from customers and employees about his comments.

I listened to clips of the offending comments and it seemed that RL didn't actually understand what type of contraception was being discussed.

Born Free

4:38 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Typically as a rule of thumb, to stay in office Democrats avoid raising taxes and the talk of raising taxes at about 3 months before an election.

There's no point in revolting against oil company profits if as long as the taxes on fuel are deliberately ignored by Democrats and Occupiers. The oil industry and industrties that produce products world wide from oil do at least produce something of value such as goods and even tax revenues.

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$$andSense

8:18 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

oil speculators - check

petroleum marketers demand for increasing profit - check

presidential hopefuls innuendo against Iran - check

competition with China for oil - check

continual increased demand for oil world wide - check

supply and demand economics - check

continued failed US mid-east policy - check

Take your pick or your combination and argue away. Aside from competition from China, most are age old issues.

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patchreader 123

8:35 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Agreed.

What has the U.S. learned since the oil embargo of the 70's?

Nothing.

Oil prices will continue to increase over time, as does inflation.

Steve

3:07 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I am so glad I didn't invent gasoline but wish I would have invented a government that forced taxes on products and services. I would be flying around in a much nicer jet than I am today.

Gross profit margin for a gallon of gas in America = $0.08
Federal government profits per gallon = $0.59

Guess they need each other to provide the road that I drive on using the gallon of gas I gave the evil oil company $0.08 for. So if we stop using oil and use more electric for propulsion doesn't that mean an increase in electric prices to pay for the roads we still drive on?

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Gofaq Uurslf

6:29 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

And wouldn't you know it, that an increase in electricity increases coal consumption. So much for eliminating fossil fuels. Liberals run around in circles.

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Randy1949

10:51 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Like a broken clock is right twice a day, I find myself agreeing with you. Electric cars are not going to help the planet unless we generate the electricity to charge the batteries with 'clean' fuels. You get as much CO2 pollution and particulants from the plant as you do from the gasoline burning cars you replaced.

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Steve

11:49 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Do you support galena mining?

TJ Monday

10:01 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

AWD - Concerned your accusations that "...along with oil, environmentalists hate anything that might keep us alive and gets us from point A to point B without costing a fortune."
That is not my experience. I am not a "liberal", but I find that comment extremely offensive, and you need to explain yourself. Environmentalists with whom I am acquainted do not hate anything that keeps us alive. Quite the contrary, they seem quite concerned about the health of mankind and the planet.
You mention the word "cancer." I for one am grateful we have some environmental laws and enforcement regarding the quality of our water, air, food, land, etc. Where would you draw the line, in more specific terms?

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TJ Monday

11:43 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

@AWD - Let me try to understand each point you make:
Banning valuable chemicals - Exactly which valuable chemicals were banned? It is my experience that these "bannings" were linked to dangers to people, wildlife, food supply, water, etc. by government after research by scientists was brought forth, not by environmentalists acting alone. You are saying if we do not use these chemicals, people will starve? Where has this happened due to banned chemicals so far, and what were the banned chemicals?
What was the banned chemical that could have saved us from West Nile Fever?
Least efficient forms of electrical power - How do these kill people? Solar and wind energy seem relatively benign next to burning fossil fuels. Is it in their manufacture, construction, operation, etc.? Or, as you claim, is it because we will become reliant on solar and wind, and, apparently, give up on fossil fuels to the point we will die of heat, cold, darkness, and lack of an industrial power source? Are there specific environmentalists that are believing those two power sources could sustain us without other sources? Who are they?
And do you believe there is any justification in banning chemicals and trying alternate sources of energy?

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Randy1949

12:22 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I think he meant DDT. But what is the point of preventing some cases of West Nile Fever at the cost of more cases of cancer later? Or killing off bees that we need to fertilize crops?

I really have never heard of solar power or windmills killing people, other than maybe in accidental falls while maintaining them. They generate electricity that would otherwise be done with fossil fuels whose by-products cause cancer and lung disease. You pick your poison, folks.

Bryant Divelbiss

3:22 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012

I lean to agree with Dick Morris the crashing of the dollar is why all commodities have been rising recently, in early 2008 it looked like supplies would be an issue but that concern appear further off now then it did then.
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/how-obama-sends-oil-soaring-and-the-dollar-crashing-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

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Victor Drover

6:06 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

There is only one person to blame for high costs at the pump: the consumer. Stop buying and the price will go down. Everything else is bullshit.

Bryant, looks like you are taking a page out of Sensenbrenners book: start talking about one thing then end on another. Unfortunately your piece is a straight recap from fox news.

I'm still really, really hoping from some original, well-thought out policy criticism of the President. It would be a lot more interesting, and I know you've got the writing skills to do it. Consider this my personal challenge to you.

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Bryant Divelbiss

7:36 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012

Unfortunately I do not get Fox News since I dropped Dish. Great idea have the consumer stop buying. It will work slow down demand significantly, but may not be best for economy or the country. Increasing supply, using abundant Natural Gas supplies, and getting fiscal house in order to reduce need to devalue the dollar are real options. On the foreign policy side there are few good options now, at least that do not lead to higher oil prices in at least the short term. But people can not deny Obama has been a foreign policy disaster.

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Ron Abalone

7:09 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Bryant - Your blog mentioned the senior Bush, but you did not even mention the junior Bush and his eight incredible years as President. I am not advocating that Obama has been faultless, but the U.S. was a very troubled enterprise in 2008. We had oil men in the top two executive positions in the country, and the foreign policy was "kick their ass and take their gas." Bush and Cheney set the sails and the course, and Obama has been trying to steer us off the jagged rocks and fight off the mad crew.

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Bryant Divelbiss

6:04 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Ron, Obama needs to be big enough to put his own pants on. Bush made mistakes, but Obama helped create the mess by working with Dodd and Frank to block reform of Fannie and Freedie. Both parties created the mess starting with Bill Clinton's changes to the CRA. The Afghanistan war was ok to start. Obama messed that up by expanding it with no objective in mind. Worse he now plans to pull out for political reasons, if your not committed to the goal why waste the money to expand the war? The Iraq war had positive benefits such as getting Libya to give up it's nuclear program. That could have made last years issue in Libya worse if they had nuclear weapons. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq is in an important strategic postion for our national interests. The only question is was is worth the $400 - $ 500 billion dollars? Obama is wasting that money by saving a small amount each year. Iran will likely control the government in Iraq or it will be carved up. It is clear Obama has made the economy worse while pushing the fiscal state to near disaster. If Obama had not done, Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, antibusiness attacks like on Boeing or others, regulations out of control, etc millions more would have jobs. It is time he takes responsibility for his failure.

Ron Abalone

7:52 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Bryant -
Reading Obama's Wars by Woodward. It is apparent that Obama, in both domestic and foreign endeavors, relied, and it was indeed a big mistake, too heavily on carryovers from the Bush administration, both people and some policies. For that he can be faulted, but one does not go into a troubled situation and just fire everyone and start all over. Obama's new war initiatives were too expansive in both Iraq and Afganistan, and the winding down should have happened sooner. Yes, Bill Clinton had good intentions in the CRA, trying to get more home ownership, and mortgage loan standards became way too loose and greedy in the financial marketplace.

If Iraq fragments into separate nations, say Sunni, Shi'a, and Kurds, what is the big downside you are implying? The British and other colonial powers were noted for putting together disparate populations into a single nation that could only hold together through enormous central power. As far as Iranian influence there, that could be, mostly with the Shi'a, but remember Iraq and Iran are recent mortal enemies.

But even if Obama has not been an ideal leader, you are obviously ducking two enormous Republican cataclysms:
1) The invasion of Iraq by U.S. forces under mostly trumped up reasons like WMD, by the incredibly naive and hubristic Bush regime, under the additional guise of "9-11" sentiment against Arabs and Muslims, mostly for oil,
2) The anti-regulation Bush regime allowing capitalism to nearly kill itself.

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Bryant Divelbiss

10:14 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

1) I only brought up Bush because you asked about it. I fail to see how it matters weather you believe the conspiracy theory about "trumped up WMD" or that they had faulty intelligence, Bush is not running for anything.

2) The key issue was that the government mandated that the GSE's buy loans to encourage loans to people with bad credit. That created a masive subprime market that should not exist. Wall street then packaged the loans and traded them like they were safe, further expanding the market. The root cause was the government intervention to get loans to people with bad credit, not the lack of regulation.

Ron Abalone

7:09 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Bryant - You are ignoring the elephant AND the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Bush/Cheney are not running, but they left quite a record as conservative Republicans, with Bush in the Executive Office and the other one lurking down in the basement. Both were admitted oil men. Oil and the Mideast are key topics in your blog.

1) How can you reach way back to the senior Bush and Clinton, and ignore the junior Bush? Pikes Peak is straight ahead, and you make a sharp right and drive around in the desert. Bush and Cheney either baited the hook or took the bait on WMD, you pick. More like poor intelligence at the top. The Iraq War has contributed immensely to the draining of our national treasure. I do fault Obama for not winding it down earlier, agreed.

2) That poorer people be able to buy houses was a noble gesture on the part of Clinton. Pride of home ownership and the resulting concern about the neighborhood and taxes may have even turned some new owners more politically conservative! But then Clinton never anticipated the Bush years of an almost totally unregulated gold rush following his watch, including corruption, Bush's encouragement to go out and spend it up in spite of two foreign wars raging, predatory lending, deficit spending (Cheney once observed that deficits don't matter!), etc.

Yes Bryant, you are David Copperfield making the Statute of Liberty disappear. Maybe Bush and Cheney will even get some cheap seats at the Republican National Convention.

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Bryant Divelbiss

5:28 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Funny to call it a noble gesture to loan money irresponsibly to the point that is crashed our system. I was not noble it was stupid. You may say he did not anticipate the disaster it would cause, but Obama stood with Dodd and Frank to fight any reform that was being pushed. Heck, Frank was still defending the GSE's after everyone knew they were going bankrupt only months before the collapse. Then they do reform that ignores the root cause of the crash. Bush bought in to the ownership society idea too, but it does not work when people are borrowing 100% + of the cost of the house, they were never owners as they never had any skin in the game. Ironically, the only good move by Obama for the economy, was to drop the market to market regulations. The key to allowing any improvement was actually removing a regulation.

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Bryant Divelbiss

5:40 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

You can complain about Bush spending. But Obama's is worse. What is worse it is coming after we saw the world is crashing due to debt issues. I agree that Bush was wrong to create programs like adding prescription drugs to Medicare when he knew the program is going bankrupt. Obama was worse with Obamacare that will take us down if we can not stop it. The cost of the entire Iraq war is less than the wasted Obama Stimulus. Either way the GOP has shown interest in dealing with the most critical issues of reforming entitlements they even passed a plan to deal with Medicare. Where is Obama's plan? Maybe the GOP will not fix these issues but at least they have ideas, with Obama there is no hope.

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Bryant Divelbiss

5:47 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

I find the term "predatory lending" funny. People took loans they could not pay and it is the banks fault? How about a little personal responsibility. If Clinton had not set up the GSE's to buy these bad loans, there would be no market for the loans, and no push by loan brokers to push every loan regardless of the person's ability to pay. The corruption grew out of the distortion to the free market that made it profitable with low risk to make bad loans.

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Ron Abalone

6:56 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

@Bryant - Now you are saying Clinton essentially crashed our system, and he was stupid. The man that was President for 8 years and a Rhodes scholar, and had budget surpluses. And the corruption in the mortgage industry, even if eight years after Clinton, was his fault because he set up a plan that distorted the free market.. Then it was Dodd and Frank and Obama fighting reform, then reforming the wrong way. You decide that the Obama spending, apparently the Stimulus, was wrong. And the Iraqi war was not as costly as the Stimulus, so relatively not that bad. Then you speculate that Obamacare will ruin us.
You do pay passing attention to some of Bush's mistakes, but still jump from Clinton to Obama with false ease. I maintain it is what the Bush administration did or did not do in those long 8 years that brought us to our knees. Bush could have changed the Clinton leftover noble but "stupid" idea to give poorer people a chance at a home. He could have not invaded Iraq. He could have balanced the budget. He could have proposed some regulation in the mortgage markets. And as I recall, Stimulus and saving the "too big to fail" companies was his plan. In fact, he brought the President-elect Obama in to learn about it. He could have reformed Fannie Mae, etc., but people, mostly Republicans, were getting rich on the mortgage industry. Bush could have beefed up the SEC instead of gutting it.
Bush was there, people worshiped him, he was a god-whisperer, but he failed.

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Craig

7:43 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Let's be honest about the mortgage problem. It started under Carter and was expanded by almost every administration since. The tipping point was including Jumbo Loans. The mortgage crisis is not alone in blame for our crappy economy. Clinton gave China 'most favored nation status'...this took years to come back to bite us on the ass. Combine that with the mortgage crisis, and we have the biggest failure in the US economy. Imagine what it would be if we had no safeguards since the Great Depression.
Clinton may have been a Rhodes Scholar, all that did for us is: he worked while he played, and he gave Yassir Arafat a tainted cigar. :-P (too bad it wasn't poisoned)
Bush may have been a country boy, but can you imagine Al Gore dealing with 9/11?
Obama has done absolutely nothing for us, Jimmy Carter was twice as effective as Obama. BO took 3 years to end a war he promised to end in his first year. We are still in Afghanistan, fought over Egypt (which we should never have done, as Egypt stopped messing with the US when Clinton dropped a bomb in Ghadaffi's living room), and we may become involved with Iran soon.
We have 150 years worth of oil out west, and no plans to tap it. If we burned our own oil, at the very least we would know we are not financing extreemists who want us dead. I have been hoping for some change, guess I have to wait until Jan. 2013 for any real change. Let's hope it won't be too late.

Ron Abalone

7:32 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Craig - Steve, you are now going back to Carter for the blame for our economy. According to Bryant and you, the problems either originated with Democrats as ticking time bombs set to go off late in Bush's regime, or post-Bush Democrats, notably Obama, the EMT in charge of life support.
Let's go back to Harry Truman, while you are all the way back to Carter a third of a century ago. He took the blame like a man, and the buck stopped at his desk. Bush was not a "country boy" as you and he like to pretend.. That act was for the evangelista and average joes. Bush came from a wealthy oil family and had every opportunity, a spoiled frat boy, somewhat alcoholic. What is our experience with such people? They do not easily take the blame or consequences. They wreck the car and Daddy buys a new one. They get C's in school and get into Yale. They get help from their family in business ventures, and bail them out when they fail.

And when they nearly destroy an economy, even a world economy, through unregulation and even encouragement of excesses, they hide behind Republican revisionists of history. Let's get the spotlight to swing back to Bush, stop putting him in the shadows. Any let's not forget the most powerful Vice Pres. until that time, that Darth Vader character Cheney is back in those shadows too.

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Steve

12:16 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

I blame George Washington for inventing the United States.

Craig

9:59 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Ron, pehaps cause and effect is beyond you. Without doing some research on your own, we can't convince you. Look at Carter's mortgage plan and all the modifications from each subsequent Administration.
Ross Perot talked about a giant sucking sound. Mexico never really was able to hold our manufacturing jobs. That sucking sound comes from China today, and like it or not we have Clinton to blame for it. It doean't happen overnight, it takes time. China is building highways and infrastructure because of their new commerce. This huge investment will make them even more capable to be the leader of manufacturing globally.
Most favored Nation status for China was the single biggest mistake the US has ever made. Without manufacturing jobs in the US, we can't afford any wars. (funded or unfunded)
China is at war with us and winning. Maybe Clinton would have thought about this more if he wasn't so busy operating his zipper.

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Lyle Ruble

10:41 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Craig and Ron...I see this from a slightly different and historic perspective. As I see it, the genesis actually began under the Nixon Administration. He imposed wage and price controls and created a new monetary policy. By the time Carter came along we had been through the oil shock and were experiencing "stagflation". What Carter added was to begin the deregulation process. The real culprit is the adoption of "Supply Side Classical Macro Economics". For supply side economics to be successful it requires the following: minimal regulation allowing for laissez faire and free trade. In supply side theory, it is in the best interest of business to self regulate and not move to excesses. What we now know is that supply side economics is a complete failure. We must return to reasonable regulation and monitoring. We need clear separation between the agencies who are regulating and those industries that are being regulated. Laissez faire self regulation and market forces simply just don't work. Even Adam Smith acknowledged that regulation should be used to moderate the negativity of free trade capitalism.

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Alfred

10:43 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

"What we now know is that supply side economics is a complete failure" really Lyle? Please post your CV and educational expertise in economics and I'll decide whether you know anything about this subject.

If you are looking for anyone to blame for high gas prices, blame the Fed .

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Lyle Ruble

11:06 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Alfred...I don't need to qualify anything for you. You have repeatedly shown on this thread and others that you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer. This all begins with hiding your identity so that you can snipe with anonymity.

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Craig

11:21 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Lyle: You know my background. You also know how I feel about regulation.
That being said; the lure of financial gain can turn decent and moral people into 'excuse makers', and overlook the very things they should self regulate.
Case in point: I knew several people who were mortgage bundlers at the height of jumbo loans and refinancing. For several years they made a killing until everything imploded, leaving some of them unable to meet their financial obligations.
They were all good people. I can give one word that caused the implosion- greed.
Because we can't legislate morality, we do need regulations. We have yet to see any real regulation since the financial crisis.

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Randy1949

11:42 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

I saw an interesting montage last night of Fox Network pundits insisting four years ago that no President had any control over gasoline prices. Some people count on the rest of us having short memories.

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Lyle Ruble

11:52 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Craig...I respect your views and I completely agree that we can't trust people to self-regulate. Greed is only one of the issues that led to the crisis. Don't forget that we have three or four generations who have been educated to be consumers. People used credit and equity like a never ending money tree. I have deep sympathy for those people who were caught up in the bubble. I don't know about you, but I resisted the temptation to refinance or to "buy up". I've had to many financial setbacks in life not to keep it real.

My last business partner was one of those who financed everything on credit, opened other businesses and lived high with things like a condo on South Beach. He was so over leveraged that he started stealing money out of the business and the next thing I know, the IRS was knocking on my door. This broke me and a successful business, leaving me on the hook to pay off all the past due taxes and liabilities.After next year I will be free of it, but at my age, I'll never financially recover. To top it off he goes on the lamb out of country. So I am familiar with the greed that pollutes mens souls.

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Lyle Ruble

12:00 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Randy1949...If you are like me, you probably remember well the first oil boycott when gas jumped at least four fold. We are fast approaching four decades of being held hostage by oil. To select one person whose solely responsible for rising oil prices is absurd. Affordable energy must be found from other sources that doesn't have the horrible impact that oil and coal imparts. We will always have chemical needs that only oil or coal can provide. If I remember, Carter wanted to begin transitioning the nation to natural gas and it was soundly rejected.

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Randy1949

12:14 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Lyle -- Indeed I do remember the first Arab Oil Embargo and the long gas lines. I remember the talk about how we could expect gasoline at a dollar a gallon. Outrageous! We'd been used to gas as low as 25 cents a gallon. I said at the time, why don't we tell OPEC to go stick their oil? The answer: we couldn't, and we still can't.

That was the beginning of my 'green' life. Drive as little as possible, thermostat at 62, turn off lights until I'm tripping over the cat. I'm still doing that.

Of course the cost of fuel drives prices up everywhere and makes life really hard for some people.

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Craig

12:19 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Lyle. As Andy Rooney used to say, "and now you know the rest of the story".
When one blogger attacked you, that is why I threw my two cents into the mix. My instincts weren't wrong.
I traded 'up' with my house when I was quite young. My starter home was only 672 sq. feet. My dad was hard on me about spending money before it was needed, and tried to tell me you never trade up until well after the need. "Have kids first and then buy the house to fit."
We came close to trading up again some years later, but opted for a complete remodel at a fraction of the price. I had health issues even back then, and I didn't want to leave my family unable to keep the home should something happen to me.
Somehow that was the best decision I ever made. Life's events over the past three years would have made us homeless had I chose the other option.
I have made poor decisions financially, I bought a new car right before I had the health issues arise. It was an emotional purchase, I certainly didn't need it. But fortunately I do not have a huge mortgage, so I am able to keep both the house and car. I am hoping something changes in the next year- or less.
At 47, I am too young to be retired.

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Lyle Ruble

12:37 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Craig...You have consistently come across as someone who has faced challenges. In my book you're a "mensch". None of us know what we are going to be handed in life. I hope this next year and beyond finds you healthy and opportunities come your way.

I know Randy1949 has faced health issues also and like me he's of the age that their isn't much time left for a full financial recovery. My wife and I are fortunate that we have been able to have good medical insurance. People don't understand how vulnerable you are until you don't have healthcare insurance. I don't know what the figures are now, but it used to be that over 50% of all personal bankruptcies were from health issues.

Best wishes my friend.

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Randy1949

1:37 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Lyle -- My health is actually very good. The employment arena is where we faced our challenges. Too educated/ too specialized versus 'not educated enough'. I had an epiphany during a job interview back around 1997 that made me 'go John Galt' in the economic sense. Self employment is a challenge, and there will be no financial recovery. This is it.

The only reason we're surviving right now is because we were financially prudent during the good earning years. No debt, and we saved every penny.

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Craig

1:41 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Lyle thank you for the compliment.
Health insurance is definately a lifesaver physically and financially.
The company I worked for cancelled my contract two weeks after I had neurosurgery, they knew I would not be profitable to them for some time even with a recovery. They offered me a different contract without any benefits in the interim. I was fortunate enough to have my wife put me on her plan. It has high deductibles and high co pays, which for the average family means no coverage other than catastrophic conditions. The good side to this type of coverage is that it prevents running to the Dr. for a common cold, the bad side is it can be a budget breaker for serious issues.
Because I was "self employed", I do not qualify for unemployment either. So we make changes to our lifestyle and cut the expences.
Not unlike what the Government should be doing now. ;-)

Craig

12:33 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

I know the argument that oil rigs cause pollution, I do not disagree.
But we all share the same planet. Oil rigs are everywhere, just not in our backyard. With that being said, what is wrong with tapping our oil fields here in the US?
A larger flow of oil will reduce world oil prices- no?
With a 150 year supply on our own soil, why not feed American dollars to America's oil fields? Making Mid East Countries grow weathier so they can buy products made in China doesn't help us in the least. In fact it hurts.
At the current price of crude, there is no reason why we could not allow major drilling operations out West. When the wells are dry- then cover the land with 4 feet of soil. There are trillions of bbls. just waiting for us here under our soil.
I have come to the conclusion that the US is hoarding its supply until the rest of the planet runs out of oil- thus protecting our National Security. But that is flawed, as our security is compramised by sending billions of american dollars to Countries who hate us.
Iran come to mind...

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Lyle Ruble

1:00 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

@Craig...I am very familiar with the petro/chemical business. Most of the western oil is tied up with oil shale and tar sands. It's a very expensive process to separate the oil. Also, the biggest hindrance is the lack of water that can be used in the separation process. I think we are better off to exploit our vast reserves of natural gas and transition as soon as possible.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no vast conspiracy to hold back our oil. It's economics that is driving the ship. I don't know that bringing on more American oil would lower the world prices. China, India and other developing economies will continue to push up the demand. Our oil is priced on the world market. We would have to be completely energy independent and pull out of the global oil market to get a reduction in domestic pricing.

One thing's for sure, many oil producing nations hate us, but they are as dependent on us as we are on them. I see continual pressure on Iran and I think that they aren't stupid, it's better to sell oil and not go to war.

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Craig

1:26 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Lyle I understand the world oil market. Prices will continue to go up based on global demand. If we were able to increase the supply, the price has to fall globally. Oil sands are profitable at the current prices, and there are jobs attached to the extraction of said oil.
I do not disagree that we need to explore alternative energy. So why hoard the oil we have if it will become obsolete eventually anyway?
Iran is nuts, without a weapon they would cut off their own arm to beat you with it. I don't hold out much hope of sanctions doing anything.
Canada is producing oil, I assume profitably. We share some of the same deposits.
If we do not tap the reserves now- when?

Ron Abalone

1:06 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

"Capitalism threatens our existence." Before you knee-jerk on this quote, and type a hate message, read on. It's Jeremy Grantham, who is a legendary value investor. He's co-founder of the Boston-based investment firm GMO LLC, which manages $97 billion, about 1/2 the market value of Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.

He says capitalism does almost everything better than any other economic system. It's just that its two or three main flaws are potentially fatal and have gone largely unaddressed. A sustainable economic system, for instance, can't be based on ever-increasing debt, corporations can't be allowed to run governments and loot treasuries, and "growth at any cost" is a recipe for planetary suicide. * Companies foolishly reward executives for taking on debt: "Total remuneration for senior officers rose as a percentage of the average worker's pay from 40 times in Eisenhower's era to over 600 times today with no indication of any general improvement in talent."
"Capitalism in general has no sense of ethics or conscience. Whatever the Supreme Court may think, it is not a person."
"Capitalism wants to eat into limited resources at an accelerating rate with the subtext that everyone on the planet has the right to live like the wasteful polluting developed countries do today."
It's not just inexpensive oil we are running out of: The "loss of our collective ability to feed ourselves, through erosion and fertilizer depletion -- has received little or no attention."

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