JL,
If your fingers are moving, we can read what you are thinking. I guess if you have nothing to reference, your point is moot. The lying and misdirection, unlike the rest of your thoughts, is just in your head.

And don't forget the "out of state union bosses" who have been pouring so much money into our fair state (whoever those bosses may be). 60% of Walker's funds have come from out of state.

But honestly, has anyone ever changed their mind about a candidate based solely on a TV ad? The most I've ever done is try to verify a source about a contentious claim (if one is posted).

@JL

We shall see. However, don't forget that the recall that has been going on for the past year is part of the campaign against Walker. \ Now the other side is just getting started.

He saved the taxpayers a billion dollars. Its just too bad he had to take away the Union's dominance (theft) over the taxpayer to do it (not). This will be a state run by the people not by the lefty special interests.

43% of Falk's funds have come from out of state - courtesy of the unions. My source is talk radio. WHAD. An interview with Jay Heck from the notorious ALEC/Koch Bros funded organization Common Cause on that right-wing whacko Ben Merens' show.

WSJ is estimating that the unions will have spent $30 million on the Walker recall when all is said and done.

You're putting the $477K (48% of 994K total) that Falk raised from out-of-state sources up against the $14.5M (57% of the $25.3M) that Walker raised from out of state as an EQUIVALENT?!? Oh, to live in your world...

@morninmist - I agree with the paper's position that Vinehout is the only Dem candidate to come out with a concrete plan. I don't agree, however, that the media is naming her the Dem candidate. It seems most of the attention is focused, fairly or not, on Falk and Barrett.

Morninmist:
Since when is the Wausau daily newspaper the "Wisconsin media?" In the normal course of daily and weekly newspapers, they generally endorse candidates in primaries and general elections. My guess is that of the hundreds of media endorsements to be made in Wisconsin over the next week, Barrett, Falk, Vinehout and maybe LaFollette will get endorsements. Theses are the many dots that make up the big picture of the "Wisconsin media."

Buy the way, I too endorse Vinehout.

Thanks for the link -- I've wondered about her and will check this out. The candidates -real and 'fake' have all been offered equal time on public radio and it makes for interesting listening. She sounded pretty together. I too would like to see evidence of real plans instead of rhetoric abut the competition and Gov. Walker.

That's why no one knows about Vinehout she is on public radio! Ok that makes total sense to me go and preach where you can't be heard. And I thought Barrett and Falk put me to sleep. Just tune in to Public Radio. Not even the Milwaukee Lap Dog media will give her air time.Democratic candidates are boring.

I guess if actual details and policies are boring you are right. Personally, I prefer to listen to radio where the hosts don't yell at the guests or talk over the callers. It's civilized discourse, and while perhaps "boring" it's at least factual and does not encourage politicians to reduce thier policies to sound bites.

dougster the toadster...boring isn't always bad. It's pretty exciting watching a five year old playing with a load 357 magnum. It pretty boring watch a highly trained weapons expert handle the same weapon.

Personally, I prefer to listen to radio where the hosts don't yell at the guests or talk over the callers.

Personally I prefer listening to viewpoints that are not funded by the government and reflect exclusively the interests, viewpoints and preaching of the self-adoring, self-loving elites.

Red, do you have some examples of viewpoints that are funded by the government? Are you suggesting the viewpoints are funding by the government or the holders of the viewpoints are funded by the government?

@Heather A
Actually, we are on the same page. My one line statement was referring to Falk and Barrett --they pay attention the those two and effectively 'chose' the Democratic candidate while the other two are barely on the radar screen.

.....
Heather Asiyanbi

9:28 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

@ Lazy...

I did not say the Wausaw paper was the
WI media as you claim. It is part of the WI media for sure.
See my response to Heather A.

And IMHO, the Wausaw paper made a good choice in endorsing K. Vinehout.

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The Lazy Man

9:36 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Morninmist:
Since when is the Wausau daily newspaper the "Wisconsin media?".......

$21 million for a tie. @GovWalker is the Philadelphia Eagles of WI politics. Blew a lot of money in free agency for an 8–8 season. #wiunion

Cute-- How about The unions are the champion losers on the ropes in WI. Threw a 10 month tantrum, didn't elect their Supreme Court Justice, didn't win the Senate, and now are trailing an increasingly popular governor.

Oh, and did you know that Act 10 saved the taxpayers 1 billion dollars. Put that in your tweet and tweet it.

What makes you so sure Walker will win? The Democrats will really have to get the voters out. The Republican will have no problem doing that.

Nope, it is the taxpayers who will win a victory when Walker makes his victory speech. One billion dollars saved so far, and more to come. Schools improving. All we need is the uncertainty of the recalls to go away and we will have a jobs explosion.

Red, why are the liberals whining about the loss of jobs. It appears Walker will be able to save our state despite the continued loss of jobs. That's a pretty interesting formula. Perhaps, those lazy liberals with out jobs living off handouts will move to Illinois once they get hungry enough.

Chad that's is an interesting approach to decision making. So the only reason you are for Walker is because Morninmist is against him.

Other than being guided by Morninmist's opinion, why should I vote for Walker? Do you think the state will be ruined if a Democrat wins the governorship?

Chad, do you honestly think your donations are going to change anyone's mind? The only mind changing I've heard about Walker goes something like this: "I voted for him and I'm sure as h--- not voting for him again."

Do you think those folks will change their minds back because of your donation? Save your money or donate it to a local public school or charity. It will do much more good.

------The only mind changing I've heard about Walker goes something like this: "I voted for him and I'm sure as h--- not voting for him again."

“Pauline Kael famously commented, after the 1972 Presidential election, ‘I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.’”

Obviously, the paraphrase is far juicier than the original, but actually, if you think about it, the version quoted by Brody is even worse, as it indicates that Kael was actually acknowledging her provincialism (“I live in a rather special world”) and from its perch expressing her distaste for the unwashed masses with whom she sometimes had to share a movie theater. What this indicates is that, even then, liberal provincialism was as proud of its provincialism as any Babbitt.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/27/the-actual-pauline-kael-quote%E2%80%94not-as-bad-and-worse/

@Chad
Time to donate to Walker's toilet again.

No one's crying, we're beating you. Day by day till June 5th.

Oh?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/walker-barrett-in-deadheat-in-recall-showdown-poll-says-8l58n4s-149857945.html

I've never donated so much money in my life as I have in this election. I've been giving to organizations much more than I've been giving directly to Walker.

@Ben Hogan - Frankly, with the fat cats in your party giving excessive millions and millions, you look like a shnook with your crummy little check. What, now your with the Koch brothers already?

Actually it would be nice if neither side did it.

You good with math? You aware that right now the difference between Walker and the other Democrats combined is 13 to 1? You see why your argument is vapid and bogus?

I'm good with math too, but I need all of the numbers. 13:1 does not include the $4.5 million spent by the unions, on Falk.

Petester, politics is all about perspective. Those who identify themselves as Republicans only see bad in everything the Democrats do and only good in what they do. It's visa-versa for the Democrats. That's why liberal Democrats can stand listening to Limbaugh and Hannity and conservative Republicans can stand listening to Schultz and Rachel M. It's an echo chamber thing.

Is Act 10 related to the behavior of TEA PArty attenders?

Put me down for fighting fire with fire. Soros' ill gotten billions and millions extorted from union drones (often stolen from pension funds) will be met by good hearted people around the country who realize what's at stake. Did you hear that Walker's recent report had 74% of donations under $ 50?

http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=268576

BTW his reforms led to saving taxpayers over 1 billion dollars. Much of the savings is going right to the classrooms

maybe you should look ast the facts. who has the money and who doesn't. it's been on the news. and if you watch t.v you will see that 99% of the ads are walkers ads. so who has the money. where are the millions walkers says is coming into this state from the big union bosses. come on now cough up the info. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE WALKER IS A LIAR. ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE

linda:

Ask, and you shall receive...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74667.html

"La Follette, Wisconsin’s secretary of state, officially announced his bid on Wednesday and wasted no time drawing distinctions not just with the Republican governor, but with current Democratic front-runner Kathleen Falk. Falk, a former Dane County executive, has racked up top union endorsements and is backed by the group Wisconsin for Falk, which has major out-of-state financial support and recently bought over a million dollars for TV ads."

http://mediatrackers.org/2012/05/02/exclusive-big-labor-pours-7-mil-into-recall-likely-to-exceed-2011-spending/

"Just released campaign finance documents show Big Labor both inside and outside of Wisconsin pouring just over $7 million into the effort to recall Governor Scott Walker and four GOP state senators. "

BTW--while watching TV last evening, I saw only Falk ads...

Keith is an expert at spending other people's money!
Tell them how it is done Keith.

Pete - facts have a well-known liberal bias. That's why Fox has to make up stuff to support the conservative narrative. The fact the WI is the ONLY state with statistically significant job LOSES over the last year might sound like a liberal bias to you, but it is, actually, a fact. Perhaps eliminating 18,000 public sector jobs, and slashing over a billion from workers' compensation, has a negative impact on the state's economy after all!

Once again, campaign finance is a bad joke. It's especially messed up when the governor (and not his opponents) gets a "break" from the finance laws and can rake in unlimited cash. And to portray the unions as the financial equivalent of the corporate and individual billionaire interests lined up behind the republicans is totally absurd. Sheldon Adleson probably has more money than all unions in the country put together, and there are plenty of Adlesons (and Perrys, and Kochs...) to go around.

But hey, if you're OK with out-of-state billionaires purchasing a controlling interest in the State of Wisconsin, as if it were any other take-over target, that's your call. I'd much rather see Wisconsinites decide on how the state is run.

Bert - not sure you know what you type about.

The Walker budget calls for 21,000+ public sector jobs to moved off the state payroll, one way or another. I'm guessing more will be laid off or forced into retirement with the July budget "bomb."

All of this education bludgeoning and throwing people's lives into chaos and we still have projected deficits. A more intelligent approach to the budget (which you will never get with Scott Walker) would have been more effective and caused less pain to so many Wisconsinites. Recall Scott Walker.

Facts and liberals are total strangers.

In an explosive memoir released today, former CIA counterterrorism chief Jose Rodriguez provides new evidence that Rep. Nancy Pelosi lied when she declared she had not been briefed about the use of waterboarding.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ex-cia-counterterror-chief-pelosi-lied-about-waterboarding/2012/04/30/gIQAQFGtrT_story.html

I did not have sex with that woman.....

-----The Walker budget calls for 21,000+ public sector jobs to moved off the state payroll, one way or another. I'm guessing more will be laid off or forced into retirement with the July budget "bomb."

Unless you can give a citation, this can be canned as just another pile of liberal lies.

Red, what on EARTH does Nancy Pelosi's statements on waterboarding have to do with anything?
Ima Hippee - It's a fact that Wisconsin has lost 18,000 public sector jobs in the last 12 months. That fact was reported in the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics jobs report. It's a fact the Walker's budget cut over a billion dollars to schools and municipalities, which he expected would be made up by those schools and municipalities cutting benefits to workers. It's also a fact that out-of-state billionaires who will suffer no personal impact from Walker's misguided policies in Wisconsin have donated huge amounts to Walker's campaign. Again, facts have a well known liberal bias - that's why the right wing had to invent the myth of a biased media and begin creating its own set of facts out of thin air.

Bert - "right wing had to invent the myth of a biased media" - You must be joking? Oh wait, your pamphlet told you to write that?

Funny how you liberal goofs have no problem with money when George Soros(D-Moveon.org) or the various public sector union goon(D-SEIU) are funding candidates. At least be consistent goofs, Randy old boy.

Alfred, it's not even close how much money is pouring in from right-wing billionaires and tax-dodging corporations compared to the one lone billionaire who puts his conscience ahead of his bottom line (Soros). Adleson alone has more money than all the unions put together.

I hope Randy's right that Wisconsin ultimately won't allow a Nevada casino owner to outright purchase control of the state. We already know from that prank call how much Walker kow-tows to the Kochs, beholden as he is to them for their "support". I'm sure he treats all his billionaires in the same servile manner.

Bert - Um, might want to call Ernie. Not sure you know what you type about. Sincee you stepped in it - of the top 20 all time donors (1989-2012) 14 are unions. Not big bad non-tax paying corporations. Not sure Mr. Adelson or the Koch's have even that much cash.

Ima, you didn't provide a source link, but I believe your numbers involve direct campaign contributions to political campaigns? I would be interested in comparing the donations to super PACs since 2008/2009 to present. E.g., Americans for Prosperity just dropped another million or so into ad buys nationally (they're the Koch-funded folks who use stock still and moving images).

As Keith would say- google it! But I am not as snarky.

Read 'em and weep.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/toppacs.php?cycle=2012&party=A

If the unions represent middle class, why so many lopsided donations? 98% - 2%? 96% - 4%?

Ima - Try looking at 2010 and 2012 expenditures, which occurred under the new, "corporations are people" laws as dictated by Roberts, Inc. From the web site YOU linked:
"As of May 02, 2012, 454 groups organized as Super PACs have reported total receipts of $202,484,348 and total independent expenditures of $114,147,400 in the 2012 cycle."
It's clear YOU have no idea what you type. Nice job finding the smallest sliver of evidence to support your case, and not bothering to look any further on the very same site to find what you clearly don't want to see.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php?cycle=2012

Ima - The better question is, if unions represent the middle class, what the heck were they doing donating even 2% to the Republicans?

Bert - "Nice job finding the smallest sliver of evidence to support your case" Um, evidence. Sometimes the evidence is in the DNA. Speaking of evidence, how about 14 of the top 20 donors nationally are Unions? Queue up the band!

...but,,,but,,, they promised,,,the Recalls were to be exempt from The Law of Unintended Consequences.....

Bob, Scott's "poop load" is significantly larger however. (It would be, as Scott may have "poop" gurgling out of more than one orifice! ; ) )

They just never see it coming, Jay.

Agreed. Make government smaller which will reduce the opportunity for theft by politicians and the protection money won't be so important.

"Isn't this pretty much the same thing we heard in the last go-round of recalls, and as it turned out the expenditures turned out to be about the same on both sides (with a very slight advantage to the Dems, if I'm not mistaken)."

You are as usual. The Republicans spent much more in outside money. Can't you read? it was all over the front page of the Journal this morning.

Keith, I wasn't differentiating between "outside" and "inside" money. The bottom line is that around $31.5MM was spent, pretty much evenly split between the two parties. Of that $31.5MM, only $5MM was raised by the candidates themselves. You don't have to be a math wiz to figure out that the vast majority of money was raised by special interest groups.

Once again, it's foolish for you and others to bemoan the particulars of a process you guys brought on in the first place. You made this a national focal point with your silly, over-the-top, made-for-TV demonstrations and series of recalls. What did you think was going to happen?

Bob, a commercial is a commercial, no matter who bought it. So if bircher billionaires paid an inordinate amount of money, way beyond the unions and progressives, that's outside influence.

My side is involved with the democracy part. You know, getting people out of their houses to volunteer thousands of hours. The other side is involved with the buying democracy part - a handful of vulture bircher-billionaires who feel entitled to control this country.

We are going to run on the fact that Walker's supporters are looking to buy this election for him.

We are going to run on the issue of in funding Walker, what do these people look to buy? People with take pride in our state's traditions and with backbones will get that.

"We are going to run on the fact that Walker's supporters are looking to buy this election for him."

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You're going to run on whatever you think might stick to the wall. That changes almost daily.

Cut the crap, Keith. When the money is tallied up, it'll come out about the same for both sides. You're attempting to split hairs on the sources of such funding which is, frankly, impossible when you're talking about special interest ad buys. Your preference for locally funded misinformation over that funded from the "outside" isn't even something you can accurately identify in most cases.

As demonstrated in the last series of recalls, it's a draw in terms of who's got a better chance of "buying" an election. The complaints from your side were the same early on then as they are now.

I've got recent history to point to to support my point. You've got your usual self-righteous "grassroots" nonsense.

@Keith

Actually right now is a good time to get paid by the Dem's to go door to door. The adds are already coming out. According to one Craig's List add, the Racine office is paying $80 per day to go door to door for 4 to 6 hours per day. This happens around the state at every election. I guess you could call it a cash- roots movement.

What does Rebecca Kleefisch's salary have anything to do with this? Perhaps you could do the same? Sounds like you guys like to spend other people's money. Why not you transfer your salary to BadgerCare? All you did was honk. A honk in solidarity but no cash?

Beep beep.

Ima, actually I believe my qualifications are superior to Ms. Kleefisch's. Unlike Ms. Kleefisch, I am not accepting a nice taxpayer salary and benefits to sit on my hands. Hence the suggestion. Make sense?

Not that it matters, since the bar has been reset so low with a drop-out Governor.

You have no idea what else besides a "honk" I have done and/or donated to support the recall. Presumption.

Here's the core of liberal political motivation - greed. Hey that Rebecca Kleefisch has money, I want it! There's a reason there is a commandment about greed.

Once Scott Walker's recall election is decided and employers that Kleefisch has been inviting to relocate to Wisconsin know that GREEDY liberal politicians wont' be able to destroy their companies with new taxes, there will be a boom in jobs. And many of them will be to our employment ambassador Rebecca Kleefisch.

Maybe we can even get that Mine through with thousands of jobs for Northern Wisconsin and also for the union workers at Caterpillar and Joy Global.

Pure projection on Red's part.

You really have an immature view of business. People only hire when there are orders or customers walking through the door. If a company needs more employees to handle the increase in business, people get hired.

No doubt most of Walker's WMC boosters are sending jobs overseas. There motivation to elect Walker has nothing to do with building their business and everything with keeping more money for their personal fortunes.

Getting so sick of that childish accusation of greed. Teachers are looking to get paid what they deserve. This whole resentment over imaginary "wealth" built on the backs of taxpayers has been cooked up by the GOP to manipulate you.

Our fund raising allows us to answer factless twaddle like this.

Here's a clue, the Republican's didn't lose the majority -- unless you are bragging that thugs intimidated a female Senator to resign. That's not what her resignation said, but if you want to brag that constant intimidation and personal threats (recall pressure) led to your political victory, you may reap the whirlwind.

http://wisconsin.onpolitix.com/news/29608/state-senator-says-she-was-threatened

E-mails sent to Media Trackers from a grassroots activist reveal Spiegelhoff regularly harassing Pam Galloway for various positions that she has adopted. In dozens of e-mails sent between May 2011 and February 2012, Spiegelhoff threatens, harasses, and attempts to intimidate Galloway while berating her for votes that she cast in the state Senate.

http://mediatrackers.org/2012/03/07/wisconsin-labor-leader-calls-female-gop-sen-pig-harasses-and-intimidates/

@red
Look at our own TeaGOP and intimidation before you cast stones.!

http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2012/05/republican-thugs-phil-dziki-edition.html

May 2, 2012

Republican Thugs - Phil Dziki Edition

When I was at Blogging Blue, there seemed an endless supply of stories to write about the bad behavior of the republicans and Walker supporters, as they realized they were losing their short term grip on power. I even labeled these stories as part of my Republican Thug series that had too many instances to count. ......This one from a republican, walker supporter and former elected official!

A federal investigator and former local elected official has been cited for repeatedly harassing a man gathering signatures during the governor recall petition drive Phil Dziki, 60, of Trevor, was cited for harassment and for unlawful use of a telephone. According to Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department reports, a man in blue Toyota — later determined to be Dziki — confronted the alleged victim while he and another man were gathering signatures in Old Settlers Park in Paddock Lake on Jan. 9. Dziki reportedly shouted at the man that he was not allowed in the park then pointed his finger at him “like a gun” or with “gun-like action” and drove away. Feeling threatened, the petition gatherers called 911. Before they were off the phone with the dispatcher, the car returned and the driver again pointed his finger at them in a gun-like motion.....

Yes, what's particularly egregious about this incident is that he didn't stop at the threat implied with the finger. He came back a little later, with his finger, and pointed it at them again.

Between the "bullies" and finger pointing and taunting its a wonder you brave recallers were able to gather your strength to go somewhere and stand around waiting for people to approach you to sign your forms. But somehow you did it. You really are heroes.

@red - Very, very unimpressive sources, Fox and a conservative website stating it is "non-partisan", an oxymoron. Also, there are all sorts of laws about threatening others. Let's get the threatening people arrested and jailed, left or right. Where is the arrest warrant? Otherwise, it all looks like political fingerpointing and the need of sociopaths to extract sympathy..

Red, you got your facts wrong again. Walker never once bothered trying to negotiate with the unions. His predecessor had already achieved many of the same concessions as he began negotiations prior to leaving office. Walker's hissy-fit on the matter stopped the negotiations, so Walker could retain the pretext for his union-busting legislation.

Correct--Walker didn't bother to try to negotiate because the union leadership stated that they would not make any concessions for Walker. This happened a month before Walker even took office. The union took negotiation off Walker's list of options.

Some of Walker's donors (but he will not publicly name them) have given Walker permission to use their campaign contributions to try to keep him out of jail.

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j ‏ @Jack2John

MT @steelekelly @Govvwalker spent more on legal fees in last 4 months than median WI household earns in 4 years. #wiunion #wirecall #p2 #DOE

Donny, plenty of people will decide who to vote for based on false information blasted at them during every TV commercial break for the next 6 weeks. Regarding Baldwin, it would make sense that gay rights groups who are tired of the open hostility republicans express toward them, and women who are tired of seeing republicans use women's health programs as a slush fund to pay for tax cuts would donate money to a candidate like her. However, you will not find ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL who contributed $500,000 to Baldwin's campaign. Not one.

Isn't that comparing apples and oranges Bert? Where did you get the $500k figure from?

Compare Baldwin donors with Hovde's or Thompson's donors if you want to get a fair comparison. From a quick look at Opensecrets.org, it appears that the biggest contributor to Baldwin donated twice the money of Thompson's biggest contributor.

Where does one go to become a paid blogger?

You mean like oft heard talking point about how some "bloggers" are paid?