Pave The Bugline? Not So Fast
Falls resident has started a petition to halt the $2.4 million plan to pave the Bugline Trail.
In January, Waukesha County Parks Manager Duane Grimm made it pretty clear that a plan to pave the Bugline Trail was set in stone. However, that isn’t stopping one Falls resident from attempting to put the brakes on the project.
Joan Griffin, who lives a few blocks from the trail, started gathering signatures from residents opposed to the project and want to keep the crushed limestone trail as is. You may have recognized Griffin if you were at Chilly Fest in Falls or the Waukesha County Expo recently.
Griffin and her husband were the couple wearing the neon signs that read “Save the Bugline, Don’t Pave the Bugline.”
“Personally, I am outraged at the idea of paving it. I love the way it is right now with its natural look of a trail. It’s not supposed to be a road,” Griffin said. “There are so many reasons not to do this.”
The trail improvements are part of the county’s 2012-16 capital projects plan, and pertain to 11.6 miles of the Bugline. The original cost was pegged at $3.6 million with county’s the share estimated at $1.6 million. The rest of the project would be funded through state and regional grant programs.
However, the most recent cost estimates from the county are significantly lower at a total cost of $2.4 million. Federal funding would cover $1.5 million, and $272,000 in state grants would cover another portion. The county’s share would be roughly $630,000. Grimm wasn’t immediately available to explain to reduction in cost.
The project would be completed in two phases. In 2013, the county would complete phase one of the project, which is the 3.6-mile trail section from highway 164 to Lake 5 Road. The remaining 8 miles would be paved in 2014.
More than just the money
No matter the bottom line, Griffin said her opposition to the paving project is about more than just the initial price tag. She said paving would detract from the natural beauty of the trail, maintenance costs would increase as the pavement deteriorates, and the trail wouldn’t be as accessible for horseback riders. She’s also concerned that snowmobiles would destroy the paved surface, and would eventually be restricted from the trail.
Griffin has collected more than 200 signatures attending just two events. She said the primary reason she hasn’t collected more is that her time is limited between work and other obligations. She has created an email account, buglinesaver@gmail.com, to solicit feedback and show others how to get involved.
“I don’t have more signatures because it’s just me and my husband and no one else helping me,” Griffin said. “I know there would be a lot more signatures if more helped with petitions.”
She could be right. According to a recent Patch poll with more than 500 responses, 72 percent of respondents were opposed to the project — although the poll is unscientific.
It's about accessibility
County officials have said the goal of the paving project is to increase the trail’s accessibility for parents with strollers, rollerbladers, and handicapped individuals. It is hoped the paved path will increase usage and prevent washouts following heavy rains that occur with the current crushed limestone surface.
“The amount of participation almost doubles on the other paths that we’ve paved throughout the county,” said County Supervisor Jim Jeskewitz in a previous interview with Patch.
In the long term, county officials want to expand county trails and create linkages between the Lake County Trail, Bugline and Glacial Drumlin Trail.
However, not all county officials are on board with the paving plan. County Supervisor Robert Hutton has opposed the project from the get-go. Hutton said he has received a significant amount of feedback from residents whose concerns about the project range from fiscal responsibility to preserving the natural beauty of the trail. Sutton was one of two supervisors to originally vote against the project.
“People are wondering if this is a good use of money in the current economic state,” Hutton said. “Maybe we hold off on these types projects until the economy turns around. People enjoy its current state.
“I think it’s appropriate for residents to continue to call the park directors so they can hear their concerns.”
What's next
The County Board’s Finance Committee recently approved $120,000 for the designing and planning portion of the paving project. Grimm said officials are meeting with the design team this week. He added that multiple public hearings will be scheduled later in spring for residents to weigh in on the plan. However, those dates have not been set.
In the meantime, Griffin will continue to rally support to stop the project.
“I would love to see it go to a referendum vote and let the people speak on what they want done with this trail,” Griffin said.
Steve
6:49 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Where do I sign
Lori Mroczek
11:45 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Ditto, I'd sign it! Nothing is natural any more. I hated it when they paved Lime Kiln Park!
Gofaq Uurslf
6:55 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
In my older years I can't stand riding my bike on that crappy stone trail, but shame on me for turning soft. I could care less either way.
Gofaq Uurslf
6:57 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Another thought, take a few thousand dollars of that money to put up barbed wire and snipers around the Townline Rd. train bridge so we can finally take it back from the graffiti rats.
Clark
6:58 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Pave it! Pave it!
Born Free
7:51 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Will someone ever get around to shutting off the tax payer spigot?
Craig
8:05 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
That is exactly the problem!
"Federal funding covers $1.5 million"....
When are people going to wake up and realize it is OUR MONEY to begin with, just because it is Federal Funds doesn't make it free.
Seeing that the bug line used to be a rail line- why not put in high speed rail?
Waukesha County Parks = RINO's
Jim Kube
10:11 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
I'm a cyclist. I vote "pave it."
My back and "other parts" can't take it anymore. I can't ride on the public roads in the Falls either. Same problem!
There's a paved bike path between Cedarburg and Port Washington (further, even) that my wife and I frequent. It's awesome! The coffee/sandwich shops get our money along the way...
Margie Finger
10:43 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
I am on the bugline often and have stopped everyone I meet to tell them about plans of the bugline being paved. I have spoken with approximately 250 people and have found 15 people that want it paved. Most people were surprised that there was even thought of paving. I have meet people that live near a paved trail and come to the bugline for it's surface and beauty. We have all heard the reasons and they are so important-Softer surface to help joints. I am an older runner and can still run because of the bugline. Younger runners need it also. Talk with Track and cross country coaches in the area. They love the bugline-gives them a break from road and sidewalks. There are many paved trails that road bikes can ride. I have heard about the concern of their safety. I am concerned about the safety of the people that are not on bikes if the bugline gets paved. I have been on paved trails where the bikes speed by. I am not against biking. I ride a hybrid bike on the bugline and it is beautiful. The cost is also a big concern. I have heard someone say"how can we pass this money Up?" My answer is easy- because people do not want it paved.
If you want to voice your concern call the Waukesha County Parks 262-548-7801 A consultant firm was hired and you can get on a list to attend their meetings. Also call your county board members. 2 voted against the paving. Thank You Ted Rolfs and Robert Hutton. Some members that voted for the paving have not even been on the bugline.
shawn
5:09 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
It's a tough one to debate as I see both sides. I love the Bugline and ride it often. The soft surface will always need maintenance, just as asphalt will. The soft surface actually gives me a better work out as it is tougher to move the bikes wheels. However when its wet, it is a total slop-fest and the tires sink badly. Ultimately, if its paved, it will attract roller bladers who never hear you coming and take up a big swath of the path in their gait. Fiscally, it makes no sense. And hey, horse back riders, could you please pick up your poop? I say leave it as-is.
PH
7:47 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
I can see both sides as well. Although, having it paved will make it more available in wet weather. I would like to see the Town of Lisbon put in bike lanes on their roads! We recently moved to Lisbon and I can't ride anymore let alone walk in my community! Hillside, Plainview, Good Hope . . . all are very dangerous for walkers or cyclists, yet they you see them anyway. Will it take a few people getting hit first?
Gofaq Uurslf
9:10 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
On second thought, as a gift to the area, I'll pave it with my bricks of gold.
Born Free
1:24 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
@Nate, lol
If there's any of your gold left would you send me some.
I'm on SS Disability the last 6 years. My wifes job was out sourced to India 2 years ago, can't find a job and now her u/c ran out last month.
We need the money cuz:
I want to cut in a short cut paved road (thru my neighbors lawn) from the end of our cul-de-sac to the main street (will save gas and save my lawn). I can do it in 3 days while he's gone and man won't he be surprised especially after I give him an invoice for half the expense and another one to cover half the medical insurance expenses.
I have to pay my own property taxes (that's never a good thing)
I could use a an attached cabanna w/ hot tub
I need a long over due vacation in the sun (Wisconsin's sun just isn't improving my health)
Our '91 Jeep is rusting out, keeps running out of gas and tires are getting worn. We didn't take advantage of the CASH FOR CLUNKERS...oh well, our fault.
My house needs a new roof, gutters, paint (skip the paint, make it new siding), and new energy efficient windows (keep the bugs out and energy in)
We could use a new garage floor too. I paid $1,300 out of my own pocket 2 years ago to get it mud jacked but it still isn't like new pavement.
We could use a new matress, ours is 15 years old but then it's the newest piece of funiture we have.
And I want to start drinking...
Gofaq Uurslf
3:13 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Sorry Born Free, I can only help you out with a nice walk on a gold bricked path.
Dad 4 life
12:10 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
It's about accessibilty. I would love to be able to ride my bike somewhere I don't have to worry about getting hit. If anyone has used the Interurban Trail or any of the oakleaf Trails, you'll see it doesn't take away from any of the natural beauty. I have lost more then a few tire on the unmaintained crushed gravel. The winter is beautiful but with the freeze and thaw constanly the Bugline is mush. Not much fun riding or running in the stuff. It's a great idea. Pave it.
M C
6:55 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
There are many other options for those who want to bike on pavement, but almost no options for those who want the softer service and the more natural trail. I, too, am a biker, and I love the Bug line the way it is. Paving (and widening) the trail will greatly change both the feel and the use of the trail. The trail works great for all bikes except road bikes. I also work out hard on the trail with my bike, and the thought of even higher speeds on a paved trail with road bikes, combined with strollers, and with skateboarders or roller bladers, seems to me fundamentally unsafe. That means that they will probably restrict the speeds on the trail for safety reasons. And that will be the end of workouts on the trail for me. For these and a number of other good reasons, I strongly oppose paving.
Steve
12:18 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Shady lane and Menomonee need to be redone, badly.
If you want to waste taxpayer money borrowed from China that will cost 15x more by the time compounded interest takes effect, start there.
Jim Kube
1:00 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
As I said before, my preference is to have it paved.
But, I would willingly concede to the greater opinion, if they'd rather it not be paved.
I'd be fine either way.
M C
11:38 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Too bad our politicians can't work with each other as well as you do with your fellow citizens!
James Gottemoller
1:20 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
We personally like the stone. It is a popular trail. But at $2.4 mil of taxpayer dollars, is it money well spent. The upkeep costs can be higher because it is paved vs gravel.
Uncle D
2:25 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Where does the DNR figure in here? They compel Developers to establish storm water detention mechanisms for impervious surface. The county is about to create somewhere between 675,000 and 850,000 square feet of new impervious surface. Where does Mr. Grimm plan to install those detention ponds? How many extra millions will that cost? If Ms Griffin wants to stop the paving, perhaps she could put a "Bug" in the DNR's ear!!!
Jim
2:48 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
The trail is wonderful as it is, natural, a forgiving surface for runners, a surface for one's mountain bike tires to grip into, as a runner who has run hundreds of miles of my long runs on these trails I say please let them be.
Larry Reeder
5:32 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Wow. Nice natural trail or smooth inviting path... tough one. Not sure what the difference would be for upkeep between the two, but to save $1.5M is a good reason to leave it as is. Seems like our elected officials have only ideas on how to spend more of our money. Leave it as it is.
M C
6:59 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
When this issue first came to the attention of the public last fall, I wrote a carefully written letter to the county board stating my opposition to paving and reasoning for it. I received no reply or acknowledgement. It seems they have a plan and are not at all interested in what the public thinks, since clearly the majority are opposed to the project.
Maybe we should initiate another recall. We need more recalls in this state…
AG
7:58 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Thank you to all of you who are "Friends of the Bugline"! I have been getting lots of messages of support and offers from snowmobile clubs and running clubs and others who want to do whatever is needed to get our message to the "public servants" that we, the people, who vote and pay you to represent our best interests, DO NOT WANT THE BUGLINE PAVED!!!!!
M C
8:28 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Can you or someone tell all the readers how we might get our names attached to the petition if so desired? Are there other recommended actions those opposed could be taking?
Mary Avid Biker
8:11 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
We ride the bugline regularly on our hybrid bikes 10-20 miles at a time from spring to fall and would love to see it paved and used more. The pot holes and washouts are dangerous and discouages many from using it. Both my husband and I have wiped out from unexpected piles of gravel after a heavy rainfall or pot holes in spite of being careful. It passes through Menomonee Park which is very accessible by the trail. There are not any "off road areas" to ride safely in the area and not everyone has bike carriers or finances to go elsewhere. Future plans to expand the path to connect to other trails will make the area even more attractive to other bicyclists, roller bladers and others. The local businesses will definitely benefit along the way when it is paved. If cost is an issue I will gladly take up the challenge to raise funds for the upkeep and further expansion of the bugline. I would much rather support our local trail and businesses than the ones in Cedarburg or Waukesha, which prove that paved trails are attractive and used by many.
M C
8:24 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
There are good arguments for having paved trails, and I can appreciate that. However, there are also good arguments for having some unpaved trails of this type. As you mentioned, there are lots of other paved trails around for biking and other purposes. But there are almost no trails like the bug line, and it offers unique benefits to a wide variety of users that paved trails do not. And these points are wholly aside from the financial cost during these tight budgetary times, the desire to keep the trail's natural beauty, and the weight of public opinion.
As to safety, I would still argue that the bug line is safer unpaved than paved. I have been riding the bug line on my hybrid bike several days a week in the warmer months for a few years now. I have never wiped out due to trail conditions. The only wipeout I had was when a woman walking her dog on a leash didn't restrain it when I was passing her and allowed it to cross right in front of me. I had to lock up my brakes and ended up flipping to avoid hitting the dog. Imagining a mixture of strollers, bikers, runners, skateboarders, and roller-bladers all on the same path, with a great variety of speeds, awareness to others, etc., I can only guess that there will be injuries as a result.
Craig
11:14 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
What are hybrid bikes?
I am guessing they are pedal and or battery powered?
Are they legal on the bike path? Signs say no motorized vehicles allowed.
I would like to have that option if I can.
M C
11:29 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Craig, hybrid bikes are just bikes that are a cross between "purebred" road bikes and mountain bikes. They are designed to work well on most surfaces, more comfortable than mountain bikes and more versatile (but not as light or fast) than road bikes.
Basically all bikes except road bikes work well on the bug line, although depending on the type of rim and tire some have, they may take road bikes on the bug line as well. My road bike would never make it on the bug line; the rims and tires are too narrow and couldn't take it.
Craig
11:34 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Never thought about road/ trail hybrid...LOL
Thanks for the clarification.
For the out of shape or disabled, a battery back up would be a nice option.
M C
11:40 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Actually, there are battery powered/assisted bicycles out there. I knew someone who had one for a time. I think they are a little spendy, though, and I think they are more oriented to commuting rather than to trail use.
AG
10:49 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
At this point in time the petition is available to sign at: Hall's Saddlery on Hwy 164 in Sussex. I hope to have it available at more area businesses soon. I also am hoping to have "Friends of the Bugline" taking signatures at the 4-H Washington Co. Tack Sale held at the washington Co. Fairgrounds on Sun., March 18th, but this is not confirmed yet, so stay tuned! I am getting an overwhelming response of support to my efforts since the story on The Patch and my campaign was even mentioned on the Fox 6 news tonight! Lots of people are coming on board. I am encouraged by the response of our community! Joan Griffin
AG
11:21 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
MC: Besides signing the petition, you could contact the Waukesha Co. Supervisors, or just Co. Exec., Dan Vrakas at: countyexec@waukeshacounty.gov and let them know why you do not want this project to go forward. I am trying to get the word out to as many people as I am able. There are so many citizens who are unaware of this project and once I enlighten them, they are apalled at the idea of having the Bugline paved. We need to GET THE WORD OUT!!! Joan G.
M C
11:35 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Last fall I sent a letter addressed to James Dwyer, chair of the Waukesha County Board, and the rest of the Board, regarding my opposition to the paving project. I received no reply or acknowledgement (maybe that's normal; I don't often write letters like this). Is this board the same as the Waukesha County Supervisors?
Craig
4:11 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
Raymond: I sent an e mail to the address you listed today. Got a reply from a senior landscape architect- not from Dan. This tells me he isn't interested in taking any time to address concerns from constituents.
Maybe people need to flood his mailbox for him to pay attention!
Craig
4:29 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
I am not an enviromentalist, but I find the last line of the email ironic...
" Please consider the environment before printing this email."
Yet they want to put an 11 mile long ribbon of expensive oil based asphalt through wetlands, woodlands, fields, parks and streams?
If it weren't so stupid, it would be funny.
Steve
4:59 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
Whenever I see those signatures I print the email as many times as the toner can handle, put them all in a pile, grab a can of gas, start it on fire, take a picture, attach as a reply email and press send.
Craig
5:10 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
Then we have you to thank for the wonderfully mild Winter.
Can we start adding tires to the fire so I can get a tan next January?
Steve
9:58 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
Your wish is my command
Monique
9:08 am on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Don't you think that there is a better way to spend a 2.4 million dollars? the trails were intended for nature trails. It's ridiculous and stupid to spend that kind of money, monies that can be used to improve other things within the community such as roads, schools, even helping those who are in need like food banks.for those of you who want it paved, have you seen what happens to trails after they have been paved? erosion and uneven pavement that is just as dangerous as an unpaved natural trail, save the money and swap the bikes for ones that can handle the terrain. I say keep the bug line the way it is! Save the money and put it towards more important things.
kristine kreuser
10:13 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
I am opposed to the paving of the bugline. As a life long resident of Menomonee Falls I have enjoyed the bugline in its natural state for hiking, biking, horse back riding, and snowmobiling. paving it would restrict many of the uses in which it was designed for. It is not a suitable surface to ride horses or snowmobile. Who's idea was this in the 1st place? Looks like more useless government spending to me. I agree with a previous post. Fix some of the roads that are in dire need with that money if there is such an urgency to spend tax payer money. More people travel the roads everyday than use the bugline.
Doug Bath
8:49 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
People have ssaid they want to bike faster on a paved trail. People have said they want to allow kid bikes, strollers and handicapped to have better access.
Will there be a posted speed limit of 15 miles per hour? Or is there an elephant in here that nobody is talking about?
Heather
6:32 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Being out on the bugline in this weather (95 degrees), I really appriciate the gravel... it does not radiate heat like asphalt. Gravel is also softer, easier on runners and most bikes do just fine. (I've even seen some road bikes...)
Some people have bikes that wouldn't do well on the trail, some people have wheelchairs that wouldn't do well on the trail... some people have bikes, wheelchairs or running shoes that do just fine! If it's something you're interested in, you need to get the right equipment, disabled or not.
Don't pave it! There are plenty of paved trails around. The bugline is one of few that remains packed gravel. It's beautiful, cool and has a natural feel to it. The gravel goes back to when the bugline was a railroad servicing the quarries... so though it's not 'natural', it is part of our history.
And yes... by paving it we would lose a lot of wooded area.