Is a Recall Really What's Best For Wisconsin?
Do people have a right to organize and attempt a recall? Absolutely. Is it the expedient thing to do at this time? I don't believe so.
I'm For Scott Walker. I'm against Scott Walker. I'm for Walker as a person, but against his policies. I hate Walker and his policies, and I'm for the recall, where do I sign? I'm against the recall - get over it.
It seems we've heard it all.
I've talked to teachers and heard about principals that support and applaud his efforts to get the state's fiscal house in order (even though it affects them in a financially negative way), and I've talked to people who are angry and taking action just because it seems to be the popular thing to do. There are even those that believe the Governor has crossed moral and ethical lines and justify a recall effort on those grounds...hmmm.
With all the recent media swirl and twirl concerning the Walker recall effort, there's at least one question that has been going back and forth in my mind ever since last spring's volcanic erruption at our state capitol.
I don't consider myself a super politically savy individual, I just believe we have a responsiblity to be involved in public policy. I try and understand what's being done (if anything), why it's being done, and how it will affect us both in the now, and in the long term, and vote accordingly.
The question I've been pondering since the last recall effort and elections is this:
Is a recall effort really the best thing for our state at this point?
Now I'm not under the delusion that everyone is going to agree on everything, nor should we. Dialogue on opposing views is important, that's why we have elections and debates. But I am of the persuasion that once people have made their choice known, and an official has been elected, he or she moves from the status of your candidate or my candidate to our Governor, our Senator, our President, etc., whether I cast my vote in their favor or not.
I understand that people are concerned that if they don't fire the Governor soon, irrepairable damage could be done concerning balance of power, and some other important issues. But with those concerns words like tyrant and dictator are being thrown around, and I wonder if it's really fair, on any of our elected officials, to be putting labels on them of that magnitude.
People may not like a person's policies or ideologies, but do they really believe that men like Scott Walker are sitting up there in the executive mansion plotting for the weakening and overthrow of Wisconsin? I've heard similar concerns being raised over President Obama's agenda for the nation, and whether you are in favor of or against what they've done I think you run into a lot more problems when you demonize them as people just because you are opposed to their policies and the way they're implementing them.
Did people not understand what they were getting when Mr. Walker was hired? I listened to those campaigning for the job of Governor at the time and felt all the candidates were pretty articulate when it came to stating their vision for the direction our state ought to be going in. I also thought they were upfront when asked how they were going to fix the fiscal crisis we were in and how they were going to attract business to our state. Walker got the job because a larger number of people in this state decided they liked his vision and plan better than his opponents.
So the question remains, is a recall effort really the best thing for our state at this time? Is the recall effort (and possible recall election) merely an expensive tax-payer financed "poor performance review" by those who didn't get their particular candidate in office? And they have an opportunity to reorganize and try and get someone else in?
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:23 "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me but not all things edify." He wrote that in the context of asking what was best for everyone involved. He had a right to exercise his freedom, but took a broader view of the situation and came to the conclusion that exercising his freedom in that particular instance was not the expedient thing to do given the circumstances.
Do people have a right to organize and attempt a recall? Absolutely. Is it the expedient thing to do at this time? I don't believe so. I believe election cycles and term limits are the better answer. Those that are not in favor of Walker's policies could be planning, strategizing, and using all of the energy and finances being expended towards the next race, and a candidate that they want to get behind.
I can only speak for myself, but I'd rather have people identify me more with what I am for and in favor of, than constantly emphasizing what I'm against and who I'm opposed to. Carried into the political arena, I believe we'd have a much more positive atmosphere in our state, civil elections and campaigns based on people, ideas, and solutions, rather than name calling, fear, and anger, and a better image of Wisconsin presented to our nation. Most importantly, I think we'd see positive results that would ultimately benefit everyone, even when our candidate isn't the one who was hired.
BassGreat
10:44 am on Monday, December 12, 2011
"What you do to the least of these, you have done to me." "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." Honoring the greedy at the expense of the needy is despicable. There is no way to justify it; At least from a Biblical and Christian point-of-view.
Dave Koven
11:12 am on Monday, December 12, 2011
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Mrs. S
11:21 am on Monday, December 12, 2011
He is so divisive and has demonized teachers and public workers. He has pitted citizens against one another. He has said "there will be no discussion" on issues. He has shown to be in the pocket of the Koch brothers. He has to go!!
Steve
11:32 am on Monday, December 12, 2011
Who are the Koch brothers? First I herd of this
Craig
11:42 am on Monday, December 12, 2011
Thank you Pastor for your message on this issue. What people need to know is drastic issues require drastic measures. If your church is in serious financial trouble, some changes need to be made that will obviously be unpopular. But they need to be made for the continuation of the greater good of your church. The same goes for the budget at the State level. A small sacrafice from public workers is not tyranical, it is expected. I think this may have been better recieved by the general population if all elected officials also took a hit to share the burden. All to often there has been the attitude that one group of people are better than the next; this certainly is the issue here.
Public employees are not different than the rest of society. That being said, neither are the elected officials who vote themselves a raise. What is best for everyone is clear here, if only people could see that without letting improper thoughts cloud their judgement.
Gofaq Uurslf
11:56 am on Monday, December 12, 2011
All this whining about Walker is angering God.
Rosemary Kropp
12:34 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Nate
Does God use you for his interpretation all the time?????
Gofaq Uurslf
12:45 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
He told me so
Sean McCarthy
2:03 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Hey Nate time to check back in to the mental institution if you actually think your having a one on one conversation with God!!!!!!
Dan Wood
2:16 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Bravo Mike:
I wish the recallers could also have the "big picture" mentality and do what's right for the State of Wisconsin, instead of clinging to the last shreds of their own petty power and putting union first.
kbb
2:27 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Walker implemented a radical policy of shifting the state's financial priorities from providing sound infrastructure - in the form of strong education and public services - to providing kickbacks to large corporations. What's more, this was NOT part of his stated goals as candidate. He yammered on about cutting taxes - as all republicans do - but never explained that those tax cuts would be paid for by working folks, and by school children. He's being recalled because his priorities are out of line with what Wisconsin wants. This is a state with a long commitment to excellence in education, and to working class, Midwestern values. I think Wisconsinites can handle shared sacrifice, perhaps better than most. But when you ask the people to sacrifice, to accept lower quality schools, to pay more for less, and then turn around and hand $200M to your rich friends, we cry foul.
kbb
2:33 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure Nate is being satirical, noting the idiotic nature of a Pastor quoting scripture (god) as his defense of a political position. How can you argue with the relevance of an 1800 year old book on the political situation of the day? It's the ultimate in fact-free republicanism. Truthiness, in the words of scripture! Nate is a local blog version of Stephen Colbert. Or he really does hear voices in his head.
Gofaq Uurslf
3:09 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Unfortunately, kbb is off on this one. I enjoy and respect all of the Pastor's works and while I was being a bit blasphemous, I think that the Big Guy in the Sky would want all the union workers to take what they have and stop being to envious of others. When are you liberals going to give up your own scripture readings of rich people getting richer on the backs of the poor.
Union workers have been overpaid versus private for long enough. I'd be pissed off too if my toys were taken away, but grow up and get over recalling everyone that slights you this way or that.
kbb
12:12 pm on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Not according to the Big Guy's boy. Matthew 19:23-24
Craig
3:27 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Nate: I agree with you on your message.- The delivery could use some work though. I am sure the good Pastor didn't intend this to be yet another thread of hate and name calling. His message was quite clear and we all could learn a thing or two following The Word.
Lyle Ruble
5:18 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
Mike,
First of all, again a well written piece. However, I am a little concerned about the content of your message. As a religious leader of the community, I am wondering if you should have come out publicly on this issue endorsing one side or the other. You know that if you did this from the pulpit, you might put your tax exempt status in jeopardy. That being said, this is a much more complicated issue as you and others have outlined. It goes to the core of personal and community values, including judgements of moral and ethical character.
Unlike what you have stated, my evaluation of the governor's and legislature's actions have been done with the intent of removing an inordinate amount of power from their political opposition. Never before in the state's history has so much power been transferred and vested in the hands of the chief executive and his administration. Constitutionally our republican democracy was founded to distribute power between the three branches of government, providing a check and balance and protecting the electorate from anyone from assuming tyrannical problems. Is Scott Walker a tyrant; in short, no. Has he and legislature moved us closer to a tyranny, yes.
Unfortunately when Scott Walker was elected governor; I believe that the general electorate were uninformed as to the extent he was willing to go. A recall will provide the final check of the public will.
Doug
9:43 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
I'm sorry. Mr. Walker was elected to represent the people of Wisconsin. Not the rich people who paid him to do their bidding. He cares little for the welfare of Wisconsin as demonstrated by his actions. All he has done is line the pockets of the wealthy while taking education, healthcare, and work from working people, while obviously lying the entire time. He does what he is paid to do, not what he was elected to do.
ProudAmericaninSJ
9:54 pm on Monday, December 12, 2011
The state of Wisconsin has a proud history -- a free state, the birthplace of the Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, a pioneer in progressive labor law. Wisconsin has been known as a tolerant melting pot of kind and hard working people of Midwest ideals. It is also a place where the current Superbowl Champions and the only undefeated (thus far) NFL team reside.
It is with sadness to see such a beautiful state be mired by leaders like Scott Walker, who is more concerned for the greedy out-of-state corporations than the hard working people of Wisconsin, who cares more about his own fortune than the fortune of the state, and who wants power to oppress those who oppose him rather the ability to govern for the benefits of all.
However, I am very hopeful that God will lead the way for the righteous and the kind-hearted to correct the wrongs and to heal the wounded that Mr. Walker and his allies have done to the state and the people of Wisconsin. Wisconsin overcame the wrongs by Senator Joe McCarthy and will overcome the wrongs by Governor Walker.
God bless!
Bill
4:42 am on Tuesday, December 13, 2011
Let me hit on the other hand, First term limits are just something the people talk about. Just as sure as the newly elected vote for a raise they will NEVER vote for term limits. With that said, the repercussion of term limits is the pensions we have to supply them, the more politicians there are, the more we have to pay. So as Governor Walker did to the teachers so should be done to the elected, that they too have to pay half of their pension out of their own pocket.
Phil_Eng_Amer
2:44 pm on Tuesday, December 13, 2011
It seems counter-productive to recall any politician, regardless of party, over political issues. That’s what general elections are for. If you start recalling every politician simply because they were aggressive in their approach to legislation, you’d be left with politicians afraid to ever attempt any type of slightly controversial legislation, and in essence you’d be left with a very ineffective government.
People are angry that Walker “misled” people by not explicitly stating how he would address the public unions issue. However, if you start recalling every politician who doesn’t fulfill every campaign promise or divulge every piece of legislation prior to election, you’re going to be in a non-stop recall cycle, or you’ll get politicians who never take chances.
His legislation hasn’t even gone into place throughout the entire state, so it’s almost impossible to be able to make such a strong judgment yet. That said, we’re seeing great results where the legislation is in place (http://eng.am/nGSRqB), and seeing why it needs to be further implemented in the districts that it hasn’t gone into place yet (http://eng.am/nfGqDq). Judging from that it would seem unwise to stop the legislation midstream.
Hornswaggle
9:20 pm on Tuesday, December 13, 2011
Mr. Frie, you ask an important question, "Did people not understand what they were getting when Mr. Walker was hired?" Let Scott Walker's own words serve as an answer to your question. When speaking with the reporter that Governor Walker thought was David Koch, the Governor did not say, "when we did what we campaigned to do...." but rather he said, "When we dropped the bomb...!" Governor Walker is not in doubt about whether he campaigned to what he did but rather describes what he did as the dropping of a bomb! That should clear up the matter of whether Citizens of this state voted for Walker's actions or have they had something foisted upon them that they did not expect. Governor Walker disagrees with you Mr. Frie, he dropped a bomb on this state!
Your second concern about the cost of a recall election seems equally 'republican' with respect to what cost should concern tax-payers. Nothing mentioned about the cost of fake candidates that resulted in unnecessary and costly primaries. Nothing mentioned about the fact that this recall madness was begun by conservatives with the (unsuccessful) recall of three democrats filed first in February, nothing mention that the recall of the Governor was actually first filed by someone supporting the Governor to allow Governor Walker extra time to raise money...
My assessment is that the recall is the very best for Wisconsin at this time, bad for republicans... but good for Wisconsin and God is smiling on our state in this hour!
Pastor Mike Frie
10:24 pm on Tuesday, December 13, 2011
My thanks to everyone responding to this article. Just to clarify what is an apparent misunderstanding. This article was not written in defense of, nor opposition to either political party. It is the application of a timeless Biblical principle (1 Corinthians 10:23) towards a current event (a potential recall), with the intent of drawing a conclusion. We all have our own metrics and standards by which we process events. We also have both the right to express our opinion (which cannot be wrong or it ceases to be an opinion) and to act on it responsibly and lawfully. Let's continue to follow our consciences in this matter. Whether Governor Walker is recalled sooner, voted out later, or remains in office for another term, we all have the same opportunity to have part in the process. Thank you for being involved.
Hornswaggle
9:21 am on Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Pastor Frie, (and every other person) has every right to express his/her opinion politically, religiously, and in self assessment of his/her own writing but should not believe that the general public is unable to discern the truth of the matter. The introduction of a bible verse concerning Christian liberty, sin, and the eating of meat offered to idols is only precariously applied, if that, to the Wisconsin world of politics.
Amidst many true and correct observations such as, ‘once elected, they become governor’ and ‘name-calling is bad’, Pastor Frie writes many more personal beliefs that are not shared by all, such as, “I also thought they were upfront...” and “I believe election cycles and term limits are the better answer” and ‘those who appose Walker should go do something else!’
No! Focus and apply the very next sentence of Paul’s writing, “Let no one seek his own, but each one the other’s well-being”. The state should pay a living wage for the workers they think to employ, and we should focus on providing health-care for all rather than following Governor Walker’s focus on who he will through overboard.
The citizens of this state are the government of this state and we place governors in office to serve, not until their 'term' is up, but as long as they perform their duties to our satisfaction. Governor Walker has lied on his application for governor and has led our state in division... Paul and God want the well-being of all - our goal.