Yes exactly. The Koch brothers are ordering Republicans to destroy the middle class. And it makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Own industries that rely on the buying power of the middle class, then spend money buying up politicians to do your bidding in order to destroy your customer base.

That is what's going on.

It's time to put away the illogical arguments and just admit you hate Republicans because they aren't out to wrap the comforting arms of government around everyone, hold them tight and shield them from the realties of the big world.

More hate from the left. While you are complaining about everything, the state will move forward.

Let me get this straight. So you think the policies that being forced down our throats by the Kochs and other predator capitalists are enabling the middle class to flourish?

@Keith
It only appears to be forced down your throat because you disagree. Everything Doyle did was forced down my throat, but I didn't attempt to invaildate en election because I hated democrats.

Keith, no policies are being forced down anyone's throats by the Kochs and "predator capitalists", anymore than Soros is turning this nation into a Socialist state via the puppet Obama.

You see how stupid all that is? Or are you incapable of navigating anything but a one-way street?

It's time to back away from the BS. You don't like Republicans because you're a Democrat. You don't like that you lost the last election. You're attempting to ramp it all up into something other than what it is, both in source and scope, in order to justify your sore-loser recall effort. That's all it is.

You repeat the BS long enough and those susceptible to it buy it as gospel - on both sides. You want to keep going at it from that angle, fine. But don't ever expect to be taken seriously.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which opposed Walker's collective bargaining reforms, recently noted, "The governor did balance the budget … he did reduce the structural deficit significantly; he did put a lid on property tax increases; he did give schools and municipalities more control over their budgets than they've had in years."

What's more, the reforms pushed by Walker are themselves already having a beneficial effect. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett was Walker's opponent in the 2010 election and later attacked his proposals to reform collective bargaining. But with the reforms on the books, Barrett used some of the bill's provisions to help reduce the city's health care bill, saying that the alternative was to cut 300 to 400 city jobs.

No doubt, the governors reforms are working, and now we want to thank him.

Keith "Best," you seem to forget that the Journal endorsed Walker and now they are peddling hard to make themselves not look foolish.

And Bob, its not like you repeat anything do you. I don't really don't care about party, I just care about this state and this country and don't want to see it screwed up. Is that too much to ask for?

You see Bob, here is what I expect from people I elect -- the ability allocate resources to do the most good for the largest number of people. I'mm looking for people with vision. Walker possess none of this. Plus he is corrupt and shady.

He's got to go. He's not what this state is all about by any stretch.

Getting tired of my BS? I'm tired of BS set to governing.

@Keith Schimdz
You said, "the ability allocate resources to do the most good for the largest number of people. I'mm looking for people with vision. Walker possess none of this. Plus he is corrupt and shady'

That is opinion and none of it rests on fact. Your angry, we get it. As are most liberals. Recalls are not designed to satisfy some emotional need. That is what political contributions are for. Maybe if Walker's Democratic challenger during the last election had not gone and used Walker's own policy (Act 10) in Milwaukee, you might actually have an arguement.

Keith S, I feel exactly the same way about Obama and did about Doyle as you do about Walker &Co. Here's the difference. I'm willing to accept the results of an election where the majority didn't agree with me. You're not. There is absolutely nothing, I repeat, nothing Walker and the Republicans are doing or can do that can't be reversed via the results of regular elections that will result in long term harm to the State. You're using the same argument every other partisan uses when attempting to paint the opponents as the Devil incarnate.

I haven't seen any evidence of you having a definitively insightful view of the state of things, so, aside from your refusal to accept defeat graciously, it's matter of subjective analysis that separates us regarding who you support and who I support.

Once again. It can wait 'til the next general. You're a sore loser. You're using BS to garner support for a recall to satiate your inability to process your loss in a reasonable fashion. Get over yourself.

TIm lay off the Koch Brothers.... All the spin on them has been lies and already the myth has been debunked. Really wish you haters would learn to research on your own instead of repeating talking points.... Such misinformation you all have.

keith, WI is about manufacturing and mining..... which has either declined greatly or has disappeared. You say Gov. Walker has no vision, yet he is the Governor who has placed the policy's to bring WI back to life. You are ignorant, you think only on your party line, you have no vision because you are to narrow-minded and blind to see.

I pity you and your hatred for WI.

Those on the right forget about the attempted recall of Governor Doyle. It went nowhere fast. And they forget the recalls of a couple democrats last year - done by republicans.

And wouldn't one wonder why we need billionaires putting ads on TV and radio telling us how good we have it now? Wouldn't they be telling us this if we lived in dung huts too?

And why would Soros be a socialist when he relies on the same capitalistic principles the Kochs do? Why don't republicans ever expect the wealthies to contribute at any level they've seen gains in the last dozen or so years?

Bob S.:

Did you consider that the reason that the Doyle recall attempt went nowhere was that most Republicans don't view the recall process as something that should be done just because they disagree with the policies of the person in office? Most of us didn't like what Doyle was doing, but we had respect for the electoral process and chose to wait for the next election to vote him out of office.

The more recent recalls weren't done because of policy differences, they were done because the dems left the state rather than do their job. You do see the difference, don't you?

Exactly! I really worry about a group of people who would allow this to happen to begin with. DO you think they do not realize what the fallout from this union buster would be? Pay cuts? They ignore the fact that the reason they have 40 hour work weeks and weekends off is because of unions. I know this...my husband is a member of USW, and they have all kinds of things lined up to combat this Koch lover and his ilk. They declare war against middle class workers, and it IS coming, and they will lose.

did you know that there are 77 donors (mostly unions) who have contributed more than the Koch brothers in the past 10 years? http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Can you provide any evidence to support your claims?

The Koch Brothers don't want to destroy the middle class. They just want total power and the middle class will become their working class and won't ask for pesky things like fair wages. Until all of you commenting are willing to listen to Gov. Walker bow down to a caller he thinks is the Koch, you don't know what you are dealing with. This gov. was bought off with $4 million of Koch money and this is what he says to the boss when he calls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOCixU_U71o

The recall effort is not trying to "invalidate" the election of Walker. It is the constitutional right of the people in Wisconsin to recall a governor when they find out he was bought off like Walker was. Why do the Kochs calls get through and not any citizen of Wisconsin? THAT is why he is being recalled. He lied when he ran and pushed throught the agenda of big corporations to take total control away from the people. You Republicans are being fooled into thinking he is working for you. He is not. Unless of course you don't work

Hey barbara, thank the Republicans that voted to allow women to vote.... Voted to end slavery and voted for black people to vote....

Ok this is for the supporters of Walker here is your facts his jobs agenda is not working according to the fedral department of work force development we are dead last in job grow and creation. at this point last year we had a surplus of 125 million for the state we had the lowest unemployment rate under Doyle. look on you tube for the video of a billboard outside of a closed GM plant that states his job creation is working. Gov. Walker has taken a walk of the political deep end and it started with the turning away of 800 million for the rail and transpiration infrastructure that right there would of created over 3000+ jobs. really look hard at what is going on the middle class is hurting and if we do not want to repeat history then we need to think about how to improve the states middle class not hurt it

tim.... can you spin it anymore? WI does NOT lead the Nation in job loss, In fact WI has positive NET jobs for the year. Obviously you read blogs on the inaccurate estimated job loss report that had to be corrected by 75%. How about actually going to labor reports and looking up the information??

Tim, like most limp libs you've always got KOCH on your mind. What is it with you weak wrist liberals and KOCH? It's all your type seems to think about.

Please extend beyond talking points. It is not just about union benefits. It is about fracking, privatizing education to avoid teaching science, taking healthcare away from children (read recent governmental reports,) taking the pension fund that was touted as one of the best run most financially stable in the US and allowing Walker's supporters access to the money as "investments," . . . I could go on - I just ask that people READ and not just one news source. This is much bigger than union members paying more for their benefits.

Kathy, You seem to be hooked on the talking points (of the far left). Who said anything about not teaching science? Paying the union xtra for health insurance has nothing to do with teaching.
The only change in healthcare is having people with means, pay a small part of the costs. Nothing is being taken away from children.
Allowing Walker's supporters access to the pension money is a flat out lie.
This is much bigger than union members paying for benifits. It about a balanced budget in our state. We need to be fiscally responsible right now.
We elected Governor Walker to do exactly what he has done. The unions can see the writing on the wall, so they are fighting Walker with everything they have. The recall effort can't find the real reason for a recall, so they throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I could go on too.

I absolutely love the Irony that the lefts talking points include claiming everyone who disagrees is just reciting talking points.

Kathy..... see you only repeat and know the democrat/union talking points. Gov. Walker and the Republicans added 1.2 Billion to Medicare.... They had DHS run studies on placing Family Care State wide....

Education is not being Privatized and avoiding teaching science, people have been given a choice. (don't dems claim to be the party of pro-choice?)

No one took any pensions funds, even though you unionistas/dems boycotted company's your pensions were invested)

You should take your own advice and READ and not just one news source... you are highly misinformed. This is all about dems losing the election in 2010 and nothing more. Grow up.

here is the link for the rally. Come join! http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/201596939925499/

Hey Cynthia, Some of those Republicans are now wanting to reverse the civil rights laws, and force women to give birth in the event of a rape. Some of them are against birth control altogether...are these the ones YOU think I should thank? lol

barbara and that came to be because of trying to form a bill to convict a person for murder if they kill an unborn child..... example: during an act of violence on the mother.

Kathy and greensheet, here is your reality beyond talking points. My mom worked for DHHS for over 20 years. She retired not too long ago, knowing that her health insurance premiums would probably go up, but that would be okay until medicare kicked in. Fast forward to now, and she's looked at premiums for drugs and visits that have TRIPLED. So key points here... she was ALREADY paying her "fair share" for benefits through copays, ect and years of service for which she was not paid a market value wage, nor offered the kinds of promotion opportunities seen in the private sector. You think that paying your fair share isn't bankrupting the middle class. I contend that inadequate insurance, like the ones many Americans see as "okay" are bankrupting the middle class. The question shouldn't be "why do the union people think they shouldn't have to pay" and more "why do our employers think we don't deserve some kind of guarantee of security in times of extreme health crises, and moreover, why do we live in a society where someone with a decent job and savings could go completely bankrupt just because they got cancer?"

Sure, the TP has never rallied in the cold before.

January, 2010, Caledonia WI - 3000 people outdoors in 4 degrees above zero.

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/article_efef6126-0314-11df-826c-001cc4c03286.html

mourning mist.... so you have labeled this a TeaParty rally already? So you feel that Conservatives don't have the right to gather together in support and celebration? Sorry we don't have speakers that say "F%#* the military" at our rally's or we don't have speakers that can't even tell one truth and only spew class warfare, race warfare, and hate.

Sorry that Conservatives are too busy working and raising their family's to constantly be banging a drum or stalk and harass Elected Officials.....

Lol... Cynthia better get her some long johns....preferably with a flap since she is full of ...well, you know. Talking points??? I swear Cynthia has climbed up Limbaugh's butt. She sounds just like FOX NEWS....innacurate and ridiculous.

Just wait...if their side wins, there goes Mom's medicare, social security, and minimum wage. Cynthia might care then...or not. I think this bunch hate their own parents.

Cynthia
I never said they do not have the right. YOU made that ASSumption.

Cynthia

11:37 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012

mourning mist.... so you have labeled this a TeaParty rally already? So you feel that Conservatives don't have the right to gather together in support and celebration? ....................

@ David Jackson, it would be like attending a klan rally. The brain power that will be present could not light 1 bulb. 10s of 1000s of union employees are gearing up to shut these fools down.
@ Cynthia, Science is exact and repubbies just hate facts. Our country is ignorant enough without cutting any kind of education. The need all they can get.

God Barbara, I think you need to be medicated.

barbara............. science is far from exact, many false study's have been reported. Now run along and take your meds.

mourning mist.... you mean they will be submitting signatures for validation don't you? I can't wait for the surprise you have coming...............

morninmist - the ignorance and garbage that comes out of your mouth shows a total lack of intelligence and understanding. Keep up the good work, burned out brain dead useless hippy that has nothing to offer society.

Yup. If you go, you will need to wear knee-high rubber boots because they will be piling that fertilizer high.

Naw, just need security to keep the thugs away from the celebration.............

This DOES smack of bagger. Walker is a bagger candidate, and all the fools they voted in are now in trouble. My husband just attended an emergency union meeting...get ready, baggers, cuase it IS coming.

Ohhhhh what scary lies are the unions going to put out now? Emergency?? LOL

It could be worse, Keith Olbermann could have been invited.

Cynthia, you can not call it a celebration since Walker is fighting to save his too sorry arse!

Of course it's a celebration........ We are celebrating WI having positive NET jobs... first time in years... More business's are expanding and moving to WI. Business environment has risen drastically and WI has moved up in the rating throughout the Nation. Who wouldn't celebrate WI moving FORWARD??

Sounds like you are projecting!

I think the hate is spewing from people like you that are jealous of people that you felt weren't hurting enough.

It is funny how Republicans make this dishonest claim that Democrats are perpetuating class warfare, when they have been at war with the middle class for years. You actually see nurses, teachers, police, and firemen as some kind of enemy instead of your neighbors.

You are pathetic.

Exactly Mark!!!

The party of choice they call themselves also.... Yet the want FORCED membership and FORCED automatic dues even though many union employee's want their freedom from being FORCED. Choice? You only get a choice if it follows dem party lines and their masters.

They say they fight for the poor and the elderly but they want their taxes and rents raised....

YOU have the nerve to talk about hate spewing??? Since the baggers have finally admitted that they belong to the repubs, here's some hate for ya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OFYO_SIy5Y
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/18/tea-party-protesters-bera_n_504183.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/18/tea-party-protesters-bera_n_504183.htmlhttp://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/video_of_disgusting_anti-muslim_teabagger_rally/

@Cynthia...are you on something?? Dems want the top 1% to pay what is fair THIS DOES NOT AFFECT MIIDLE CLASS or ELDERLY. Do you think the vast majority of seniors are millionaires??? It would be YOUR side trying to overtax the poor, and do away with Social Security. Make some sense.

barbra you don't comprehend well do you?

Governor of the year? Will you still say that when he has been removed from office in disgrace?

@BRT929--Wishing it so, won't make it happen. Too many people are starting to learn the Gov. reforms are working.

@KeithBest - Yes, those reforms sure are helping to create jobs. How many jobs have we lost since the passage of the budget?

Dirk is probably one of those saying what a great president W was. Walker had to hide out in his office for a week because he is a weakling, and he knew he was hated. All the voters I have talked to from WI are saying Walker never mentioned union busting during the campain. He really is a scuz bucket.

You were once a Democrat? So now you are a proud member of the Party of Hate and Fear-mongering? That's quite a step up.

Democrats are still the party of change. You have joined the Party that elects errand boys such as Scott Walker. Forget his complete failure at the county level, but he has lied and cheated. Whether or not you agree with the policy of destroying collective bargaining (Which is what this all about. This is just the first step, to a Right to Work state.) disenfranchising voters is the way you want to get things done?

I also will never vote a democrat again.... (I can think of only 1 that I would in the future) The misinformation being spread is ridiculous... Once I started looking on my own I saw the lies the democrats were spreading and that pushed me right. Thanks to all the hate displayed the past year and all the slander and lies in WI I will NEVER again even consider a democrat.

LOL you were never a Democrat, it's not about change it's about what he didn't say when he was running he misled the people, had he told the people his intention he never would have been elected he knows it . so it's not about hate there is enough of that on the right, so keep your vote we won't need it.

Hmmm... never been a democrat. Let me check that.

Parents both teachers: Check
Union employee: Check
Married to public employee: Check
Voted for Obama, Kerry and Clinton (twice): Check

Yup, your right. I had no basis to claim that. Or maybe I just grew disgusted about the way my party conducted its business. Maybe I just grew sick of the intolerance of the left. We value free speech, but only when its ours. We value others opinions, but only when its ours. We tolerate change, but only our change. We belittle our opponents, and cry and whine when we don't get our way. We fail to understand why others disagree and that's why we lose.

Look around. Open your eyes. We have become everything that we always claimed the republicans were. And thank you for reinforcing my point.

So yes, I will keep my vote until you earn it back.

Sure Terry, (rotflmao) you were a democrat. Another lying rethug. HATE?? Here ya go....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/01/ron-paul-civil-rights-act_n_1178688.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C6bdRUV5kA
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/04/racist_orange_county_republica.php
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/former-tea-party-candidate-wants-president-obama-a

@ Mark
Try getting out more and doing some reading so you do not look so stupid when you post!

Walker is leading us DOWN economically.

rootriversiren rootriversiren
Root River Siren: WI Economic Activity vs. US Economic Activity: A Color Picture!... rootriversiren.blogspot.com/2012/01/wi-eco… #wiunion #wirecall
4 minutes ago

LOL mourning mist blog blog blog blog...... try reading Government reports and statistics.

Add to your celebration that some 'heavyweights" will by then be RECALLED.

Cheers

No they won't mourning .............. what did your unions say they already did a pay off? Signatures will only be turned in, they still need to be validated. Like I told you....... LOL, you have a surprise coming.....

Rotflmao...you fools keep calling it a celebration when it is really a last ditch ploy to save him from being recalled. Your speakers? Well, they DO speak to the simplest minds, so I can see why you are soooo excited!

too many folks on th e 'have side want to keep getting more and hope they become the big 'heavyweights-aka 1%.

I am glad to see the uprising.

Badgers_Rebel Bristling Badger
gu.com/p/34tjf/tw Davos: World Economic Forum warns of economic turmoil and social upheaval |Sh*t hits the fan!| #WiUnion #Occupy #GOP
1 minute ago

See mourning it's comments like yours....... Why do you think that the 1% is Republicans and the poor are Dems? CRAZY.

Cynthia, You may be the one surprised. This creep is toast.

Hateful lies by the unions? Get real, get adult. It is your side that continually concocts all kinds of legends about Welfare Queens, people being lured to Wisconsin by welfare, overpaid and lazy government employees, weapons of mass destruction, the virtue of uncontrolled capitalism, bad guns with guns, voter fraud, yada, yada, yada.

Give me a break.

Ahhhh Keith, don't hate me because I'm right, oh, and "Right". :):):) I'm sending you a virtual hug in hopes it will help you overcome some of that anger and disgust you feel for me. :):):)

Defiantly can tell a difference between Tammy and Keiths comments........ Thanks Tammy, Jan 21st will be awesome and truly grassroots.

Hope both of your friends show up!! Cynthia, the rich dems WANT to pay their fair share...it is the Simon Legrees of the right that want to give the richies more, and more, and more. CRAZY!!

I would suggest you be prepared for an onslaught of those charged with forming the minds of our state's youth (and their supporters and other various malcontents), replete with signs and chants and attempts to shout down the speakers in attendance. Don't be surprised if their numbers meet or exceed those attending in support of it. This is their game and they are masters at it. That being said, hopefully it turns out to be a decent event for those who organize it and those attending it in earnest.

Yup they don't understand right time, right place very well do they.... thugs trying to silence a couple groups on FB that decided to get together and Celebrate....

bullshite, Santo. Hope you and your's starve. But, don't worry...democrats would feed you. I give this whole freakin mess exactly the respect it deserves...none. Freaks of nature meetin'...lmao...good luck.

LOL! Really? The polls show something quite different. It looks to me like Baldwin is going to win.

Patriots don't sell out this country to foreign-owed companies.

See you on the 21st my fellow Patriot!

@Keith Schmitz
Sell out? Something like going to Spain for trains?

troll? What a typical victim you TeaGop folks are!!

LMAO! Oh please! I wonder how many of you "patriots" are paid by Koch Industries to
post here?

At least we "trolls" are here because we believe in Democracy, unlike you people that are paid to play.

Between buying off politicians and ordering them to do away with their middle class customer base, and paying people to post on highly influential sites like Patch, you guys on the left shouldn't have to worry about the Koch Bros for long. They'll put themselves out of business with all their skullduggery and destructive hijinks.

Honestly, if you think anyone is paying anybody to post in the comments section here, you automatically disqualify yourself from ever being taken seriously.

kieth....... who runs GE and just sent part of WI GE packing to China?

LOL, paid to post.......... get real......... OMG the funny lines from the left....

Who is paying you brt soros? unions? lena taylor? tate? grahmie? who??

Yeah...like Dalyn says, she will see all you PARROTS on the 21st. Unions, gear up...we ARE going to war for our very existence.

No one stopped you from rallying except perhaps your limited thinking.

Warriors Mom (lmao) The right was respectful??? Are you on drugs or something?? Yes...show your kids how you turn all red faced as you verbally beat down THEIR teachers. Maybe take in a klan meetin too.

@ Jay Benton

I consider it an honor that the RW would copy the Left's style of protest.

Bring your fiends (below) along.

Cheers.

Progress2day America United
WI leads in government job cutting: Employment ranks fell 10% in 2nd quarter bit.ly/wGMEni #JobsFail #ItsNotWorking #wiunion #1u #p2
22 minutes ago

Not hardly.

mourning mist.... we will not be copying the leftist style...... No shouting down and swearing at teenage speakers, no banging drums and shaking coffee cans, blowing whistles, ringing cow bells, no dumping beers on an Elected Officials head, no stalking or harassing of speakers, no hitler signs, no swear word signs, no trashing of property.... YOU can have that style, that is all yours.......... OWN IT.

Stop saying that...it IS a lie. Celebration? It IS a last ditch effort to save Walker's arse...won't work. I remember what it was like when the unions were there protesting...they were treated like dirt. Why do you righties lie so much? You are gonna make Jesus hate you!

Hmm. Sounds like a paid poster to me. Whose payroll are you on?

BRT929, we aren't paid posters. Infact, we are even going to help verify the recall signatures for free also! :):)

Don't forget they caused a blood drive to shut down and cancel also....

Ruin a 100 year celebration, and protest a Gala for mentally disabled workers.

LOL you just described Faux News, and wan't your Guy Walker thinking of puting thugs into the group of demonstratorsand wasn't it your group who showed up to town halls with guns strapped to their side stupid is what stupid writes.

It didn't take long for the trolls to start posting their illogical non arguments interspersed with you must be paid! Masters of projection! One needs only see all the out of state union trucks at your protests and hear about the out of state union activists registering from hotels to know whats going on on your side. We don't have giant union coffers to draw off. We genuinely believe in a responsible government for all and this was set up as a total grass roots effort. The Koch brothers statements are more than an indicator that you are completely clueless. The Kochs donated a total of $160,500.00 total to all WI candidates since 2003 including the many Democrats they donated to. Contrast that with the 20 million the unions put into the last round of recalls alone. How can you guys take yourself seriously?

Ya mean like the baggers did? They were all fat and sweaty yelling at a man with Parkinsons, disrupting town hall meetings with their ignorant stupid red bloated faces...and Walker IS a bagger candidate.

Another paid poster?

Hmm. A list of Walker contributors to boycott:

http://www.facebook.com/BoycottScottWalkerContributors?sk=info

Do you accuse everyone of being a 'paid poster' if they post something in favor of Walker and/or his policies?

Ya brt like boycotting and protesting WI jobs (some union) and company's the public sector pensions are in went over so well............. LOL

Oh, it is going to happen. Walker did the damage, and you fools aid him in his psychosis. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess. You all sound like idiots...there goes your tourism trade. Hey...why not have WI secede? We would be fine with that.

Hope you all turn into KOCHsicles. Most of the bagger bunch ride scooters because they are too fat and lazy to walk. They will freeze up even sooner.

Hey Keith, go slap yourself. You probably voted for W...twice, moron.

No, you aren't bought and paid for by the unions. After all, that would mean that stood up for your neighbors and the people that put themselves on the line every day.

Instead you are brainwashed by the likes the Brothers Koch- a couple of racists that still contribute to the John Birch Society that their father founded.

I can't change your minds. You obviously don't have the critical thinking skills to see the damage that Walker is inflicting.

brt I would suggest you do some looking at the Koch Brother claims fabricated by the left........ LOL, funny how you can't look on your own and just repeat what you are told without even a fact to back it up............ Someday maybe you will Educate yourself and do some fact checking before you mimic talking points.

Sorry BRT929... here are the real numbers about money and power. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php Koch brothers: #78 in contributions in the past 10 years. The other 77 are largely made up of unions and left wing fringe groups. These are called facts...you might want to look at some before making wild, reckless accussations.

Umm, David? You better take another look at the link you posted! Talk about reckless, did you even scan the article. Wal-mart and Chevron? 27 0f 140 are unions! 90% of the Koch's 12 million plus dollars went to repubs. You are spot on BRT! Wow David, yikes!

I recall they also donate millions to cancer research and they also donated Ipads to a Green Bay school............ Those evil son of a guns............. ;)

D'Oh, I don't think you "recall" at all but I do! Koch boys gave, 2.5 mil to repubs in 2011 and less than $19,000 to dems in 2011.

12 of 20 is not 80% last time I checked and " of all time" is not 1990 - 2011 as reported in the article. Jeez people, read the links you post that "support" your posts.

Yes unlike the many protests that have cost this state so much, we always get permits, provide for sanitation, reserve space and provide security and leave the site in better condition then when we arrived. There also won't be any arrests unless agitators show up and have to be escorted out.

Maybe the Democrats can explain away all of the scandals of Jim Doyle...oh, wait a minute...he ran away
http://wispolitics.com/1006/061020RPWscandals.pdf

@William Franson -- the question needs to be asked WHY Scott Walker felt the need to remove administration of those funds from the American Legion Post, which had been doing a very good job with them, and give it to a long-time associate who then proceeded to steal from the families of veterans.

Tim Russell was a student at Marquette University in 1988, when Scott Walker had his endorsement for student president revoked by the Marquette Tribune for underhanded campaign tactics, and copies of that newspaper disappeared in the early morning hours.

I think this whole investigation is yet more proof how much integrity Scott Walker has. Knowing how extensive a john doe investigation is, he still called for one to be conducted focused on his staff. The fact that an embezzler was found and will soon be brought to justice thanks to his actions is something to be celebrated. If he had swept the matter under the rug like most politicians a pedophile would still be free to victimize children. You can spin this however you want but the truth is there for all to see. Trying to somehow paint the man responsible for bringing this man to justice as somehow culpable for the actions of Tim Russell is laughable. Is the DPI to blame for allowing a pedophile to work for them? TGFSW

andrew the democrats don't like money coming in from out-of-state.... even tho' over 60% has for the dems............

right there with you andrew. but, remember the wonderful and proud state of wisconson is steeped in progressive history. they're doing exactly what is best for all working wisconsonites at home....actively and lawfully removing koch's mini-me scott walker from office in hopes that a 'real' grownup will take his place. a person of color and/or a woman would do them proud!

Too right, Andrew. You would think after they made us suffer through 2 terms of Bushie they would shut up. Yes...this group of mis-informed misfits have great judgement. I too have sent money for the recall.

Thanks Andrew and Barbara for the solidary spirit. We here who have been out collecting the signatures so very much appreciate your support. I have met so many good people during the signature collections-people with so many stories of why they support the recall. While the Right --with lazy support from the media love to portray the main reason for the recall as Collective bargaining, it is seldom listed as the main reason by so many who have signed. They are concerned with the everyday bread and butter issues, like good schools and health care and the enviroment. Once again, Thank you.

So you call out for conservatives for what they use as source material and then cite a third rate comedy as your reference point. Brilliant.

john, irony is lost on these folks.

No, I think we understand irony just fine, Oscar. You, on the other hand....not so much, apparently.

If the left would stop reading and thinking blogs were factual and actually did do some research we would not have to request that.... OOOOPs my bad, if they actually did look at reports, audits, official sites and not blogs they would turn to the right....

"elitist left created are nothing more than chains..."? wow, is that you alan keyes?
yes, mark. and, when your 'house' is on fire people will yell Fire too!
it strikes me odd to hear a teabagger like you claim "people are getting educated" aren't you interested in 'creationism' being taught in your schools? but, you're right about people being smarter, that's why your 'tool' governor is being removed from office. enjoy your day.

@Mark: Well done. The Democratic platform only works for you when you can characterize yourself as a victim. Once you break free of that mindset you are on your way to success and have no further need for the Democrats and their platform of division. Their platform is basically to make this about haves and have nots and that the have nots only chance at success in life is to get it from the haves. Everything is a zero sum game with the Democrats. If person A is successful it must be at the expense of person B. Just about every one on the left that is in here complaining is doing so because some entitlement they believe they have a right to has been taken away, whether government or union supplied. Once you stop believing your success is dependent on government and union entitlements you no longer have a need for the Democratic party. You are no longer a helpless victim and can stand on your own two feet. And now you can start thinking for yourself. And the elitists on the left don't like that.

I would say a deceitful lying bunch trying to roll back history is creating the division. Elitist left??? Bawhahahahahahahaha. One word...KOCH.

Umm...the race card?? Your side cheats at cards. Hope this link works, cause he is one of yours. ; )

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/former-tea-party-candidate-wants-president-obama-a

Rudy, you spend a lot of time huffing unleaded as a child?

There was no "recall election". Ament resigned when it became apparent that his argument that he didn't know what was going on with the pension fund while at the same time setting himself wasn't going to hold up. Resigning allowed him to collect the nice little pension he set up for himself.

Check your own memory before you start calling out others, Sparky.

rudy and this is not the first time that the unions have torn WI apart and bused people across the State to rally..... Strikes in the 70's caused a lot of teachers their jobs and they never taught again...........

Hey lift your glass for the middle-class that will be gathering on Jan. 21st in celebration to Gov. Walker moving WI forward..... (yes, some will be public sector workers)

Based on your assumption of what the majority wants and doesn't want, we should be holding elections on a quarterly basis for all positions, since it's entirely possible that results would be different that often. There's a reason we don't do that and it's pretty obvious to everyone why that is.

Up until this latest go round, recalls have been used responsibly and not become a tool to be used in the game plan of one side of the political equation or the other because it got its you-know-what handed to it unexpectedly in the last general election. That will probably be changing going forth, thanks to you folks who helped initiate and support this radical reaction to your disappointment over a misbegotten forgone conclusion.

Either that or we change the law, something I fully expect you and others on your side to support in the future, having had a "change of heart" about all the disruption this has caused, in the event this one is successful.

This is not a "special instance". There's nothing that has happened or that will happen under Scott Walker's charge that will cause permanent damage (in fact, it might have quite the opposite effect, but I'm being generous here), that can't be changed, if necessary, via the results of the next general election. Your side has just effectively found a loophole to attempt to undo the results of the last one.

Lyle, I'm from the right and am not worried at all about the recall. I have always liked a party and will look forward to another one once this is all said and done. I am also not paid to post here and will not be paid to verify the recall signatures I will be verifying. This rally is to show support for the Governor. He has has to withstand lies and death threats from the left and the silent majority is tired of sitting back and watching it. Nope, not willing to be silent anymore.

Bob, one state law I would like to see passed would be that the party that calls for a recall and those who sign the recall sheet, be the ones who pay for the recall. I made my voice clear in November when I cast my vote for Governor Walker and find it offensive that this recall is even taking place, especially since there has been nothing illegal done.

@Tammy Christian...If you're not worried, then why do you feel compelled to verify signatures? It seems to be a waste of time.

If you read the state constitution you'll find that there is no stated reason for attempting a recall of an elected official, for illegal acts or otherwise. It is much like a provision found in parliamentary structures and represents the equivalent of "lack of confidence" vote. Bob McBride has a valid point to his argument, that once the process begins, successful or not, it will set a precedence that will be used by all parties. However, I would rather put up with the recalls than have it amended or eliminated all together.

Why would it be such a waste of time to verify signatures, Lyle? I'm curious to see if my signature is on a petition to recall Walker...

First Voter ID is an overwhelming burden, now verifying signatures on recall petitions is a waste of time. Anybody else noticing a pattern here?

Who said anyone is worried? Why can't a group of people get together to celebrate the 1st Year WI has had a balanced budget for quite some time? The business environment ratings taking a HUGE jump (largest jump ever) First time in years that WI has had positive NET jobs. There is so much to celebrate why do you hate the fact that they talked on FB about getting together?

It will be the demented bunch who clapped like brain damaged seals at any idiotic thing this liar Walker said. God, it makes me sick! Are his followers really so ignorant, or simply brainwashed??

Funny how this 'local' news site seems to attract so many people from out of state...

@CowDung, This affects us all. Verify all you will...Walker is about to trot out of office. Don't you repubs claim christianity as your own?? I am an athiest, but I can see you are all about as "Godly" as I am. Hypocricy is waaaay worse than sin, but thank you for reaffirming my beliefs. Read the story of Lazarus and see what Jesus says about the rich man. I AM an athiest, but I did study the bible before I became one.

Well said Lucky!! It is as simple as you say. "The quality of living has been lock step with Union membership since the 50's".

Barbara:

I am not aware of any claim to Christianity on the part of republicans. Why are you even bringing Christianity into this?

@ProudProgressive...If these wingnuts had their way we would be back in the post Civil War 19th century kissing the backsides of the "robber barons".

Some things have changed since the early 1900's. Change is good, remember PP.

unions are not needed anymore... same as those buggys the horses used to pull.....

If they were to bust unions, everyone's pay would drop drastically. Employers would be allowed to fire you because they do not like your eye color. God...you have some wanting to get rid of unions, some who want to dismantle the civil rights laws, and some saying that huge corporations are people....what a bunch!!!! BTW, Walker, has your boyfriend David Koch called you lately? You were positively gushing when you thought you were talking to him...possible love connection, eh?

barbara you are a sick individual.....

I see someone thinks I'm under the influence of Ron Paul. I'm not. I like his approach to the rest of the planet's "countries," but not to his approach to the planet istelf. He also seems to have a problem with people who aren't "Caucasians." He appears to have some difficulty understanding a woman's not so much "right," but freedom to choose to reproduce or not reproduce.

Ron Paul also has some simplistic approaches to the economy, like going back to the gold standard as a basis for our money supply. Like it or not, we have what is known as a mixed economy, in which governments at various levels play a vital role. If government functions move in the direction of privatization, you get the kind of thing that is trending in Wisconsin: crony capitalism. Friends of Walker are doing quite well in this brave, new world. For a few months, at least. If all goes well, we can put them all in jail.

Hi, baggers, I am a happy progressive! In fact, over the last year I have been unable to stop smiling as I watch republicans and their hypnotized followers drown in their own tea! Thank You and Happy Day!

Yes, the normal have to hate and intimidate tactics... frothing at the mouth and later will be once again eating crow...

If you notice, in the article, the people listed are the same bunch who was hiding behind Walker's dress skirt after voting taxpaying Americans became enraged at this liar. We are a union family, and we do not want some lion in sheep's clothing undoing the progress Americans have made. He wanted a fight? He's got it!! My husband is at an emergency union meeting as we speak. I guess the old advertising song IS true "FINKS go better with Koch."

It's a couple of FB groups that wanted to get together.... So what's your problem with that?

Let's see emergency union meeting because....

A.) We need new talking points or get better at the lies we have.
B.) How do we disrupt and silence the free speech of a couple of FB groups.
C.) We are having problems with LEGAL signatures on petition sheets.
D.) All of the above.

How are you fighting for the poor and middle class when you want to raise their taxes and rent?

The reason Walker opponents are fighting for the poor and middle class is because the only place Walker policies can lead to is lousy jobs with terrible wages and no health care or retirement.----He wants to take us back to 1900 when if your employer said shit--you shit.
I am certain that among Walker supporters you will find many employers.

david, WI was always about manufacturing, farming, and mining.... how much of that do we have left in WI? Who is trying to bring manufacturing, farming, and mining back? That would be Gov. Walker...... Now say TY for TRYING to restore WI heritage.

The difference between you Pamela and Walker protesters is the protesters have a cause and you have nothing. Just like most Walker supporters you and others will go to work or to the movies or wherever. Not many people will show up at this event.

Yes, the Koch brothers are getting soooo old. Like, omigod. Democracy is so, like, well, yesterday. If they want to pillage our country, like whatever. Let them have it, cuz I'm so bored and over it, y'know?

@David Groh, as I stated, I will be at the polls, just like everyone else, if need be. That's where it will count.

@Bren, _______________________________.

christine yes those that show up to bang drums, shout down speakers, ring cow bells, use blow horns in peoples faces, and intimidate WI citizens are leftist thugs.... what would you call them?

Cynthia, were you there? Well I was! Music, drums, songs, cowbells, guest speakers! Organized, peaceful, and moving! Stop believing everything you hear and read. What would I call those people?..........your neighbors!

@Christine: I was at a benefit for a non profit organization in Franklin last Fall. They employ disabled workers who would otherwise be on public assistance, they even supply them with social workers employed by the Company. The anti Walker protestors were out in force because Walker was the keynote speaker. Media didn't mention how nasty the protestors were, so I will:
Women were degraded with words I can not use in this forum, words that would make a drunken sailor blush. Nasty comments were shouted at all who entered the benefit, with no understanding that many were Union Construction workers who just finished a huge addition to the building. While Walker spoke, the protestors beat on the doors and windows. Police sirens eventually drowned out the pounding, but everyone at the benefit was on edge wondering if we were being torched.
Respectful, decent, and resonable people do not act this way....
'nuff said.

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mie9hhQTUM

Cynthia, Craig, do you have any video footage to back up your assertions? Were I to be surrounded by such a churlish melee as you describe I would have had my iPhone out to document and post.

The tone of your comments generally do not instill confidence in the validity of your accusations.

I see none of what you mentioned, even in the edited McIver Institute video . No thugs in the video, unless to you, any protest is thuggery? You state you were "inside"..
here's the video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqQzoGGQZ4M&feature=related

Department of Workforce Development records show shockingly low rates of compensation for workers with disabilities at Opportunities, Inc, which is mostly funded by government revenue, pays no property or income taxes, and made $2.9 million in net profits in 2009, and serve a number of major companies including Trek Bicycle. Nevertheless their pay scale for workers with disabilities is stunningly low:
• 20% make less than $1 per hour, with some making as little as 11 cents per hour;
• 50% make less than $2 and hour; • 92% make less than $5 and hour;
• 99% make less than the minimum wage.

I'd like to know what Opportunities, Inc, total sales were for the year before passing judgement on their net income. As regards what their clients are paid, I would imagine the amount of supervision needed and output per hour comes into play. I've been in a few of these operations (sheltered workshops) and depending on the degree of disability I could see how feasibly it might be difficult to pay more than the rates listed above. Keep in mind that there are caregivers in these operations and that part of what these jobs accomplish is taking the burden off of the families of the folks who work there. I would have to say that if the folks who trust their loved ones to Opportunities, Inc. felt they were being used unfairly, you'd be hearing about it or they'd have have a hard time retaining enough folks to fulfill the contracts they win. They're not the only game in town.

Christine, Cynthia called the leftists exactly what they are, thugs. The last time my friends got together a little group and went through Madison with their signs showing support for Governor Walker, a leftist thug through a cup of coffee on one of them.
I was also at the Rally in Madison when Palin was a guest speaker. The drums, bangos and mouths formed a barrier so when we went to leave, we had to walk through them. So ignorant and so childish. They tried their best to provoke us as we left, but being the adults we are, we ignored them. Believe me, they were trying to rile everyone. Didn't work. It was funny to see them make fools of themselves and not get what they wanted to accomplish from us!

Bren, go to Youtube and look up the different rallies yourself. Do your own work. You will see how ridiculous the left acts at rally's. It's actually comical. I honestly believe most lefties have been dropped on their heads at one point in their lives.

Now, all you lefties can leave our event alone. We are getting together to support the Governor and to meet those of us who have become friends over the internet. There's no reason for you to be there. We allow you to have your time, and we are now having our time.

Patch, thanks :) one of my fav's! More cowbell, less Walker!!!!!

@ Tammy, of the hundreds of thousands of your neighbors who feel peaceful protest is necessary to put a stop to this mess, there have only been a very few "bad apples.." The public employees, teachers, nurses, firemen and policemen, you know the people who care for you and your children have been awesome! I believe that the actions and ethical abuses that haunt the Walker Administration speak for themselves. Protest we must!

Hey Tammy Christian, thanks for the "do your own work." Unfortunately I don't have access to Cynthia's and Craig's recording equipment. As for YouTube, there's a whole lot of ugly coming from the right, namecalling, etc. I'd place a small wager that if your friend actually had coffee dumped on her/him it was certain to have been provoked, directly or indirectly. I've seen video of pro-Walker people walking against the circle of protesters, shoving into people and trying to provoke a scene (in which attempts they were frustrated).

I'm indulging in speculation, and surmise you are indulging your imagination.

Christine, go for it. Protest all you want. But please start cleaning up after yourselves.

Opportunities Inc. does NOT take government handouts. They DO pay property taxes. A nonprofit pays no income taxes, but they do pay property taxes.
Also the people who work there are not getting a gvt. handout. This saves all of us money because the Company also supplies a social worker for every two employees.
As far as recording what was going on there: I do not care if you chose to believe me or not, I have no reason to twist the truth.
The link to the video shows less than 2 minutes, this is after all attendees were inside. Even for a libitard protestor, it wouldn't make any sence to be nasty to your own kind. Use your head Bren- get the I phone off vibrate and remove it from your rectum.

When did I say anything about recording? Oh ya... that's what you are good at, making stuff up, insert any persons name hoping something sticks. Geesh bren do you ever get tired of just typing out lies and stuff you read in a blog?

christine think that all you want but if your neighbors were doing that I'm sure you would call the cops about the noise...........

Stormy, May I ask? Are a business owner? Thanks.

Stormy, I hope that your husband does not become one of the 21,000+ scheduled to be moved off the state payroll during the current state budget cycle. As you perhaps saw in the Business section of today's MJS, WI leads the U.S. in public employee job cuts-10.1% or 7,987 jobs between April and June 2011.

Personally, I'm not a public employee but I'm really struggling with thousands of job cuts in the middle of a recession. I don't see how putting more people on unemployment is going to help, short- or long-term.

bren how many of those are vacant positions?

Craig they don't care how much taxpayer funds they waste... they don't care if their local Government does not have the funds.... They don't care if programs have to get cut, they just want to complain when they are cut....

Cynthia will they care if they have to pay for it?
Maybe THAT is the only way to get them to understand you can't get blood out of a turnip. Imagine being required to pay a dollar when you go to the polls. Whether it is a fee paid at the time of voting or added to our taxes- it still has a cost.
I just want to recoup the costs for all of this garbage recall nonsence, and maybe the only way is to increase the cuts!

Yet another one make sure that check don't bounce, I see when walker used the recall it was OK were you worried about what that cost the state, hmmm but let him lie and mislead the people who would have never voted for him had he told them his real intentions and never would have been elected they should not have the right to recall, yet another Moron hope that check doesn't bounce.

Say Craig, fortunately the 24th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (ratified in 1964) prohibits any bright stars among us from trying to initiate a "poll tax."

I would say you are more than welcome to leave your estate to the state treasury to help finance democracy in action, or for more immediate gratification, transfer your assets now.

GeorgeNastyco: You sound like a public Union member...
Speaking of bouncing checks: when your payroll check bounces, will you still come to work?
If the BRB wasn't passed, you public servants would not have a paycheck!

Gov. Walker didn't ask for or file for the recall......... and guess what!! There never was a recall.......... do you really just repeat stuff without checking it out first?

There is no ahortage of money. My rich uncle has more every day and so does your's if you have one. Corprrations are making record profits and are also sitting on record amounts of cash. Incomes have been going up almost steady for the 1% and also, although not as fast, for the top 20% of income earners.

Give me a laugh.... tell me who would be considered the dem heavyweights............

BRT did I say I was a democrat? No I didn't.... I am an Independent that has voted for both parties..... Like I said.... WI has only 1 democrat I would even think about voting for. All the slander and lies I have witnessed for the past year in WI has been disgusting. Never will I believe a word a democrat says...

Thanks for the compliment but I don't work for Gov. Walker or the campaign. Just your average middle class citizen.

Just curious, why are you looking for a "Koch check?" Are you a Koch Industries shareholder? And yes, your tax dollars will be helping to pay for this rally, as it does every time Scott goes to D.C. and elsewhere to fund raise and to spread misinformation about the recall on Fox. Just saying.

No tax dollars are spent on this event............ LOL

No we realize Gov. Walker is being slandered by the left same as Koch Brothers have.... guess you have not checked the facts on either...........

Stormy, I hope so. My father's friend, a Republican and a public employee, did receive the "pink slip." Like your husband, an exemplary civil servant, and responsible for supporting a family. But it happened.

Yes, I watched that on C-SPAN. I believe we should have a recall election so that people can make an informed choice at the polls, now that the real Slim Shady has stood up.

Whose fault is it that you didn't pay attention? You think elections should have mulligans?

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

Kinda reminds of modern days.......... Good bill, dems filibuster...... have tantrums and fits, bill pass's and guess what........ we are better off. No matter how you want to spin it, if it wasn't for Republicans it would never have even been placed for debate or voted on. Next I suppose you want to tell me MLK was not a Republican.........

Spin, spin.............

@Tammy -- I thought this story was about the 'who's who' of top Wisconsin Republican politicians were getting together at Hart Park for a pro-Walker rally. You're saying they're all Facebook friends?

None of this surprises me in the least. Get together, pat one another on the back. Knock yourselves out.

Randy, a couple of FB groups decided to get together... that's why they picked a small park... Asked for a couple of speakers and ended up with much more then they planned... Beautiful thing. Hate all you want but this is what grassroots is, not unions busing in teamsters and members from other states and unions paying for everything.

I missed what part of Wisconsin you said you live in, Barbara.

And what blog should I look at barbara? I hope you have crisis numbers on hand.... you seem to be losing it....

Once again, there was no "recall election". You goofballs really need to check into this stuff before you post it, rather than just rattling off the stuff you've heard repeatedly and assume to be factual.

But the daily kos told them so, it has to be true

Oh come on.... their union talking point givers and dem officials wouldn't lie to them............

You're assuming Ruth, that the right wing sociopaths care about people.

You see Keith, comments like that are why no one takes you seriously and you do more damage for your side. All you do is prove that it is the left that spews the hate. What the heck is the matter with you? Grow up!

Here's a little tip for you. If you're going to post here pretending you know what you're talking about, it helps if you get the spelling of the name of the Evil Overlords correct - it's Koch, pronounced like "things go better with...."

Now get back to cleaning up that garbage you dumped on the lawn of the president of BOA.

Got it! You are in favor of perpetuating a failing public school system that enables the unions to rip-off the taxpayer with teachers that are overcompensated and who, as a group, underperform to the expectations of our children's future.

Less than 8% of working American belong to a union. That obviously means that the vast majority of working America [92%] can't relate and won't relate to your calls for supporting what union greed has done to America.

You are in denial, and your head is deep in the sand knowing that the union leadership is profiting greatly with huge salaries, lavish expense accounts and unchecked freedom to hand out tens of millions of dollars to support political actions that will let them stay in power and continue to line their pockets with the unions dues that flow in.

You're worried about the influence of the Koch brothers? How ridiculous!

@C. Sanders -- This is about much more than the schools. Some of our school districts are doing a good job of education while others are doing poorly. The problem is not the teachers, it's the students and the environment in which the teachers have to function.

And, while throwing more money at a problem rarely solves it, neither does depriving a problem of funding solve it either. All Scott Walker did was to cut state aid to education and then put the districts on a starvation diet to disguise that fact. More useless testing and more money bled off for vouchers is not going to help. Neither is making the teaching profession less attractive to anyone who hopes to make a decent middle-class living.

@randy1949 ... the latest report by the Union Grove School district, for example, would dispute your claim that a school district cannot accomplish more with less, because Union Grove has done just that in the face of a $410,000 reduction in funding. If Union Grove can do it, anyone else can, if they have the courage and ability to forge ahead.

Can't wait to see the herd of righties who take time away from the TV to do this.

You mean time away from their jobs. "Righties" work for a living.

Hardly. What's brought chaos to this state started with the ridiculous demonstrations in Madison early last year at the behest of the unions, the unprecedented use of recalls to attempt to placate the sensibilities of sore losers, the pointless and expensive recount of the supreme court race, and, now this equally as unnecessary recall. The division is the result of a class of folks who hold themselves above their counterparts in the private sector, who have become convinced that the private sector exists for no other reason than to provide them with jobs and to take the fall for them when the economy falters. They're selfish, they're sore losers and they, alone, bear the the blame for the current state this State finds itself in.

That it would become impossible to support the public sector in the lifestyle to which they had become accustomed should have been evident to everyone at least 4 years ago. It had to happen, it did and it will continue to happen, whether it be Walker who holds the office or anyone else.

You are, of course, speaking of the "Great Divider" President Obama. Are you not?

@Bob Mcbride, Well said.

Exactly Bob, Hit the nail on the head!!

Workers rights? You mean Cadillac health plans, lavish pensions and the inability to be fired no matter how bad you are at your job... Are those the workers rights you are so vehemently fighting for?
You want businesses to pay their fair share of the tax burden, but not the public workers? Your level of hypocrisy is staggering.

Despite the Union propaganda making that claim, really didn't.

CowDung, do you have a link to back that up, or are we supposed to take your word for it?

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/26049415/detail.html

This was their reaction when Walker called for union concessions in December:
"State workers and other public workers aren't about to sacrifice their benefits for some political future of a tyrant," said Marty Beil, executive director of AFSCME, the largest state employee union. "This is all about Scott Walker kind of bringing back, instead of public service, it is public servitude. He's the master of the plantation and we're supposed to be his slaves; that's his philosophy here. So I think he'd be real happy if we were paid minimum wage and had no pension at all."

The union stranglehold on the Wisconsin taxpayer is unraveling before our eyes.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_cbd0a786-ff21-11e0-997d-001cc4c002e0.html

BEFORE the Nov. 2010 elections this was the weac response...

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

Ridiculous

I've not had any computer issues while posting on this site. Perhaps you probably picked up a virus while searching the net for propaganda to support your claims...

I bet the Koch brother are behind this virus!
I demand a full government investigation into this Walker Koch Brother combined virus that is killing personal computers.

Probably from whatever porn site you were viewing just prior to coming back here to "stagger" a few more folks.

Gotta be careful with them porn sites, they have viruses. I have heard some can turn your hard drive into a floppy!

How far to the right did all of Doyle's cuts to education push you?

They forget about doyle's cuts to education, the teachers laid off, and oh my, teachers even protested doyle over it. This is all about FORCING union membership and FORCING automatic dues. This division is from the unions, same as in the 70's. The left has bought it hook, line, and sinker....

@Pamela....I see it differently. What I see is a loss of rights and a move to suppress the political opposition. Since the election of Walker and the Republican majority in both chambers of the legislature, there has been a concerted effort to transfer more and more power to the executive branch. Whether or not public employee union full collective bargaining is returned, I want to see the balance of power returned to the state government. If that means recalling the governor or winning control back of one chamber of the legislature, that would return the balance forcing parties to compromise. Your statement concerning want verses need is all relative and subjective. One person's want is another person's need.

@Pamela -- I'd have been at the capitol if I could have afforded the gas and had young bones that could camp overnight on marble floors. And if you haven't seen people stumbling to sign a petition, you've been looking in the wrong direction.

Don't forget about the gutters, Randy. Just in case someone questions why $15 worth of gas (at the most) and some aching bones were too much to dedicate to the cause.

In that case, McBride, enjoy the rally at Hart Park. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for sub-zero weather so you can finally prove your conservative zeal.

Nah, Randy, I'm perfectly willing to state for the record that I have no interest in attending a rally at Hart Park - rather than claiming I'd be there if only I didn't have a couple of lame excuses keeping me from doing so.

And remember to only allow Donald Duck to sign one time on each form. Too funny the tards need a reminder when the forms are due- tells a lot about their stupidity.

The Looney left wants to go back to the over tax and over spend mentality. Spend more than you have and borrow more to keep spending. Raise taxes at 5 times the rate of inflation. Throw more money at a failing school system, and funnel funds into the unions to keep us taxpayors in debt up to our eyeballs. They never seen a budget they couldn't screw up beyond recognition.

Cheer up Craig my lovely.

The numbers are in. Time to celebrate.

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It's #Friday my lovelies, break out a glass and toast to democracy! #wirecall #wiunion
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The numbers are in? What is the final tally?

@cowdung

As you know, Fitz was the last one we needed.

Cheers.

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Morningpissed: Please don't call me your lovely, You and Thursty can switch hit all you like, but leave me out of your escapades.
8000 volunteers IS reason to celebrate.
Remember what you cost the State of Wisconsin. In the event Walker survives your frivolity, and I do think the taxpayor will once again support him. Paybacks are a B.....
Next year will bring additional costs for your people. 12.5% is not enough contribution for Health Care costs given the $10-$20 Million you just cost us. Time to double down, and reap what you sow.

@Craig

Please do not denigrate my username like a school yard bully would do.

I did not say anything about your not celebrating the 8 thousand who signed up to verify the signatures. Go at it. As I said, there will be some that will be weeded out.

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Craig

4:24 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Morningpissed: Please don't call me your lovely, You and Thursty can switch hit all you like, but leave me out of your escapades.
8000 volunteers IS reason to celebrate.
Remember what you cost the State of Wisconsin. In the event Walker survives your frivolity, and I do think the taxpayor will once again support him. Paybacks are a B.....
Next year will bring additional costs for your people. 12.5% is not enough contribution for Health Care costs given the $10-$20 Million you just cost us. Time to double down, and reap what you sow.

So nice to know that it's being done by people who are completely unbiased!

Ha ha ha ha...You mean like the unbiased of the people collecting the signatures??? You people crack me up!

We had 9 recalls last summer. Both Dems and Republicans went by the GAB rules. Now Walker wants an entitlement at taxpayers expense. The wants special treatment so he went judge shopping. He will go down in the end.

Special treatment? I don't think that requiring the GAB to actually verify signatures is at all unreasonable...

You want a special redo of the last election, for G-d's sake!. Good lord, you've got a blind spot the size of which is probably only usurped by that of your.......car.

What has gotten into you lefties? Do you honestly expect Walker and everyone on the right to just bend over and play catcher to your pitcher?

Trust me, if you think getting the required number of signatures on recall forms is anywhere near the endgame, you've got another think coming. This thing is just beginning.

mourning soon it will be shown why..... soon ....

Actually, Jill, just to pick nits here, you won't be verifying fake signatures, you'll be verifying the legitimate ones (to the extent that that's possible) and eliminating the fake ones (ditto).

Special treatment?
Doesn't everyone want ---A--Count--Ability---
from the GAB(Government Accountability Board)

@Jill -- "So looking forward to verifying the fake signatures!!"

If this is a volunteer effort to challenge the signatures on Gov. Walker's behalf, no problem with your evident bias. If you're talking about working for the GAB at taxpayer expense, now that it's been determined the challenging won't be done by Walker's people, yes, I have a problem with it.

PS -- it would be like hearing you, as a juror in a case, saying you could hardly wait to find the SOB guilty. Obviously, each side in a dispute has its partisans, but the people making the final determination should be neutral.

randy 8500 people have signed up to data base the signatures and weed out and disqualify even more signatures after the GAB is done... You know the GOP challenge.... No taxpayer money is being spent. This is being done by volunteers online...

Not only for Gov. Walker but Lt. Gov, and the Senators...

Also after the data base is done they will cross-check through about 12 other data bases for checking if valid signatures.

"We"? Is it a multiple personality thing or did they appoint you spokesmodel for the "movement"?

I don't think you remotely have a clue what you're up against. Your (assuming you actually speak for anyone other than yourself - or yourselves if option A above is the correct one) path has been completely unobstructed up 'til this point. The cakewalk is over for you.

Compared to what you'll be up against going forward, it was a cakewalk. If you honestly think you were mounting some sort of struggle against the odds in the signature collection stage, you're the one fooling yourself.

You and the rest of the "useful idiots" who've "bravely" stood on street corners to solicit signatures at the behest of an organization that has effectively declared war on our State's electoral process will be met with a resistance you've grossly underestimated.

Think I'm wrong? Hang on, you're about to embark on a very bumpy ride.

Like I said the left has a very big surprise coming............ :)

@Bob McBride...The next phase of this recall is going to be interesting to observe. I think that there is much to be learned by all parties. Whether the recalls are successful or not, I think that those pushing for recalls will begin to understand the consequences. I also, hope that those who find themselves in the majority, no matter the party affiliation keep in mind to pay attention to the opposition and not to push their agenda too fast.

Lyle, those pushing the recalls will never accept responsibility for their actions. Their entire philosophy revolves around the problems they face being someone else's fault. The party they support caters to the mentality and, in fact, uses the same excuse itself when called on the carpet for not living up to the promises its candidates make during the election season. Life's just easier when you're a perpetual victim and never responsible for anything and can point your finger elsewhere and stomp and kick and whine and make a mess in your playpen when you don't get your way.

@Bob McBride -- " Lyle, those pushing the recalls will never accept responsibility for their actions. Their entire philosophy revolves around the problems they face being someone else's fault. "

You mean the way the Walker supporters blame Wisconsin's budget troubles on unions and their outrageous demands? Let's not forget the 'entitlement moochers'. If it weren't for them, we'd be rolling in the dough.

There are some that feel that way, no doubt. The difference is that, even in areas of this state where we have Democrats who epitomize the "spend money like there's no tomorrow" on nonsense (Milwaukee - Tom Barrett - Choo chop loop to nowhere - at a cost to taxpayers of $10's of millions of dollars), even the most rabid fire breathing right wingers aren't calling for his head on a stick simply because they don't agree with him. That's the difference Randy.

One side can bide it's time until the next election, the other - your side - insists it be placated now. Everybody else be dammed. You're victims - you demand justice now. Screw everyone else.

@Bob McBride -- I don't know. I'm going by what I read here. 'Union thugs, entitlement leeches, greedy teachers' Rinse, lather, repeat.

Wisconsin had a revenue crisis brought on by income tax and sales tax figures dropping because of unemployment and general lack of confidence.

Why can't we wait three more years to vote the jerks out of office? I will tell you, that train left the station when the GOP controlled legislature refused to even entertain some reasonable amendments to the budget bill and the Photo ID bill. If it takes a recall or the threat of one to bring this runaway horse under control, then so be it.

Randy, there's a very simple concept here that you seem to have forgotten. And that's when the party you vote for loses an election, the party you didn't vote for is very likely to do the things that caused you to support their opponents in the first place.

Your side seems to have forgotten that somewhere along the line. I don't know if it's because you bought into the supposed death knell for the Republican party inherent in the victories to you experienced in '08 and you just can't fathom that the reversal in fortune you experienced in '10 is real and not some mistake, or what. But, hence the term "sore loser".

For some reason, you seem to think you're entitled to a do-over based on the fact that you disagree with the policies of the opposing party now in office. You extrapolate a doom and gloom future based on your opposition to those policies that, as of right now, show's no evidence of coming to fruition. You couple that with what amounts to a conspiracy theory about a couple of brothers, bolstered by "evidence" from a prank phone call - and then pull all that together as a justification for an action unprecedented in the entire history of this state.

You may go by what you read here, but I'm going by more than just that. I'm going by pronouncements from political leaders on your side who've signed onto this insanity because they can smell victory seized in a sketchy fashion from the jaws of a legitimate defeat.

That's the difference, Randy.

@Bob McBride....I don't agree that it is the case of permanent victimization of those strictly on the left. There's enough victimization to go around. However, I see a sign of positive; in as much as people aren't just sitting by and complaining. They are taking action. I don't necessarily agree with the timing of the recall, but it is preferable to violent action. I saw too much of that back in the sixties and seventies. We could have it worse, we could have a proposition system like other states and look what it got them. Every since Prop. 13 in California passed in the seventies, the state has been on a downward slide.

@Bob McBride -- There's a very simple concept that Walker and his supporters are forgetting. A narrow 52% margin in a low turnout year is not a mandate to make such sweeping changes as he has done. Especially when he was not honest about his intentions once in office. The do-over is to see if those swing voters who voted for him the first time have changed their minds once they learned what he's really about.

I guess he and the Fitzgeralds should have thought about the fact that Wisconsin does have a provision for recall. Gov. Walker didn't listen to my email back in February. Maybe he'll listen to my signature on a petition.

Lyle, the whole premise for the existence of the left is the victim class. The more people your side can convince to join that class, the better off your are. All you have to do is look at the "99%" movement to see it taken to its extreme. By buying into that, you essentially mandate that all but 1% of the nation are victims - you don't even give people a choice anymore - they're victims by your definition and if they don't accept that they are, its because they're in denial. And the only people that can save from victimhood, or sans being willing to accept their victimhood, their denial, are you progressives.

Being a victim means you never have to really take responsibility for your position in life, your actions, the way you feel. Being a victim excuses the kind of behavior that results in actions, like this recall, that can't be justified logically in any other fashion. Being a victim means you're entitled to do things or, at the very least, you're excused for doing those things that a person assumed to be responsible for their position in life and self-reliant would not and could not do.

Victimhood, as I've defined it, explains everything that has occurred since Scott Walker has taken office in January of last year. It explains the sore loser mentality, it explains the childish behavior. It explains the unwillingness to accept its share of our declining economy on the part of the public sector. And ultimately it explains this insane recall.

Randy,

Once again, when your side loses, regardless of the margin, you have no logical right to assume that actions won't be taken that don't agree with. Your decisions to blow the impact of those actions out of proportion are you own. I could suggest all the same things about our current president, who it could be argued today wouldn't necessarily survive an election, based on his approval ratings.

He's made some very radical moves over the past few years, he didn't say he was going to do them and he's made some promises that haven't been borne out over time. That doesn't mean he deserves to be removed from office before the regular end of his term.

The world doesn't owe it to you to see things your way. You're not entitled to have your viewpoints taken into consideration by the opposing party when you lose. And again, because you decide something is the end of the world doesn't make it so. However, since you are indeed a member of the victim class, you don't see it that way, along with the rest of those who signed the recall petitions. We have a provisions in our state laws that you folks have chosen to exploit for nothing more than political advantage. Up until this time it has been used responsibly. Shame on the rest of us who don't view ourselves as victims for not anticipating you victims would use it in this fashion. The best we can hope for at this point is that in the near future we'll be able to get rid of that option for you folks.

@Bob McBride....Are you denying the existence of social injustice? Are you denying that we all don't begin life with equal opportunity? Are you claiming that race doesn't create a permanent disadvantage for those who are people of color? What are your moral imperatives regarding those who were born disadvantaged and have remained such, not because of their actions but because of a structural system that prevents self sufficiency? Do you maintain a position that there is none who are legitimate victims?

No, Lyle, I'm claiming that you don't get to define who's a victim and who's a victimizer and who can and can't fend for themselves for the purposes of forwarding your political agenda.

No, Lyle, it's Bob McBride who gets to do that. Once we realize that and learn to tug forelock, the world will be a happier place.

Thanks Randy. In honor of you acknowledging that, I'm granting you permanent all purpose victim status. Retroactively, of course, in recognition for your years of service in that regard.

@Bob McBride...It is the role of citizens to make the determination. Politics is the action of citizens with an agenda that impact the community and society. If the citizen's don't make the determination, then who does?

Lyle, do you believe that 99% of the population of the US are victims of the other 1%? This is the current take on things, courtesy of the folks you support.

@Bob McBride....To claim that 99% of all citizens are victims of the 1% is easy to say, but difficult to prove. Have the 1% benefited from the past three decades; of course they have. However, did they personally victimize others, I think not. It may be in some cases that unidentified members of the 1% group took actions that might have caused such disparity, but it is a systems thing. Since it is the system that has created such disparity, then there is only one clear action; change the system. The debate rests on what changes are to be made and what is to be left alone. It is difficult, since we can't even agree on what the goals should be. In essence, should the goals be focused on the whole community or only on the individual?

I have no problem whatsoever calling BS on the "99%". No need for hedge words or qualifications. It's as pathetic as it is nonsensical.

Blaming the 1%. No not all of them. Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett and a whole bunch of others that make things such as jobs, yeah they have pitched in.

But you have to agree that growing an aristocracy with obscene salaries and low tax stock packages have done damage to this country, causing us to sink in every conceivable measure.

That's not envy per Romney the Robotic Republican. That's a recognition of the damage being done to this country.

@kirk

ha ha. You do realize that the Gov of the year award was given out by a Republican, one man, internet, non-peer reviewed so called "journal"!!

Or did someone else vote for him as the "#1 Gov in the US"???????

May the goddesses bring you peace.

FlorenceKitty R Berlin
“@ArnoldFitchburg: Petition processing is done. Shifts today are cancelled. Looking forward to the final count tomorrow!” #WIrecall yay!
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Unions are like typewriters....once needed, now OBSOLETE.

Same thing with police and firemen. My house hasn't been robbed or burned, ever.

It was an analogous statement. Same reason that we should just get rid of unions?!

Keith's on your side. He was referencing the same post you are.

What's with you lefties today? This is the second time I've seen one of you go after your own. Settle down for G-d's sake. You should be basking in the afterglow of your successful petitioning for a do over rather than snapping at everything in sight.

Probably nothing here........