Grothman: Kwanzaa Comment Garners Positive Feedback
State Sen. Glenn Grothman again grabbed headlines across the country after a press release regarding the relevancy of Kwanzaa sparked a controversial reaction from the public.
After calling Kwanzaa a fake holiday that "almost no black people care about," Sen. Glenn Grothman said he has heard a lot of positive feedback despite a negative reaction from some, including public officials.
"Almost all of the private feedback has been positive," Grothman said. "First of all, people are thankful in finding out that Kwanzaa was founded by a violent, racist, Marxist — because some of them didn’t kow that. Secondly, they realized we shouldn't let such a person create a holiday … and promote it in our school system."
The negative reaction was from a small, left fringe that supports an atheistic, socialist agenda," he said. "They are loud but tiny."
Grothman sent out the press release attached to this article on Monday, and said it was meant to run as a column in newspapers choosing to use it. In it, he called the founder of Kwanzaa, Maulana Karenga, a radical leader who was a racist — and said that the holiday was created to divide Americans.
Grothman said he was prompted to send out the press release after reading a column in a Washington County newspaper about Kwanzaa in which the columnist mentioned that residents should learn more about the holiday.
"I felt I should educate the people in Washington County," Grothman said.
One Patch reader, Ray Ray Johnson, agreed with Grothman's sum of the holiday.
"The root of Kwanzaa is racism," Johnson wrote on a Patch article about Grothman's statements. "It's a holiday built on racial identity and racial divide. It's sold as pro-black, which is racist by definition. 'Pro-black' is to white folk like 'white power' is to black folk. Most black folk don't celebrate it, at least not in my family. It's a holiday of self-inflicted segregation that does nothing to merge people into the melting pot of America."
Other side of the issue
But some public officials as well as Patch readers were appalled by the statements, disagreeing with the senator's statements.
Stephanie Findley, chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin's Black Caucus, called on Scott Walker to denounce Grothman's conduct immediately, according to a press release sent out by the organization.
"As head of the Republican Party of Wisconsin, Scott Walker should say whether or not he associates himself with and approves of the disgusting comments made by a chief ally such as Sen. Glenn Grothman," Findley said. "Grothman, who has minimized the honor due Martin Luther King Jr., says he knows what's best for black people and he directly attacks basic principles of religious liberty in his ill-advised screed. He took a time to celebrate peace and goodwill toward all and warped it into a narrow political appeal to bigots."
Walker has refused to denounce Grothman's comments, saying "he didn’t know why Grothman would go out of his way to alienate people over something 'some people' support, yet stated that, 'everybody's got a different opinion,' according to a press release from the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
The holiday "brings a cultural message which speaks to the best of what it means to be African and human in the fullest sense," reads the official Kwanzaa website, and is based on seven principles including unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith.
Starting the day after Christmas, the weeklong African-American holiday was created several decades ago Karenga, now an Africana studies professor at California State University, Long Beach.
Patch reader Donte Wylie pointed to Kwanzaa as one of only two holidays dedicated to African-Americans.
"Ever do any research into the so called holidays that we celebrate? Well, I have," Wylie wrote. "Other then Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday, Kwanzaa is the only other African American Holiday that we honor and celebrate in this country. Furthermore, Kwanzaa is spiritual, cultural, and blends acts, thoughts, and prayers into community outreach. In other words, it empowers, strengthens, and cultivates. It is based upon life. As for the Holidays, we celebrate, many of them are based upon slaughter and death.
"Christmas is no longer about the birth of Christ, but about the dawning of St. Nick (old Nick, old Harry, Satan); St. Valentine's Day is the day in which a Roman Saint — St. Valentinus — was killed and the day Capone pulled off the St. Valentines Day Massacre; Halloween or All Hallows Eve worships Samhein (Satan); Thanksgiving was followed by the massacre of the indians in the area of Plymouth Rock; So don't preach to me about fake holidays, when the real holidays we celebrate are nothing more than sacrifices of peoples deaths."
Was Grothman expecting this kind of publicity? He says no.
"We sent out something like this about 12 years ago," Grothman said during a CNN interview, "and it was really no big deal."
How do you feel about Grothman's comments?
Vote in our poll or jump in and join the discussion in the comments.
Steve ®
2:16 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
This is never going to die.
Randy1949
2:38 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Oh, please. Grothman tells us that most of the comment was positive, but it was also private so we'll just have to trust him about it.
CowDung
2:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
You can always file an open records request and get copies of his e-mails if you are in doubt...
Randy1949
5:17 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Nah, I don't want to have to wade through all the comeons and business opportunities from Nigerian princesses which, as a single guy, I'm sure he gets a lot of. LOL
CowDung
9:30 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
Perhaps it was those Nigerian princess e-mails that inspired his thoughts about Kwanzaa...
Bob McBride
9:52 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
That might explain it. Perhaps he got one from Princess Kwanzaa of Nigeria, who fell into a fortune but was in grave danger due to the battling warlords in her country and who was looking for someone to take her check for $93,000,000.00, send her back $12,000 to live on, use a portion of the fortune to drum up support for her cause in our public school system and draw a salary of $100,000/year from the balance.
Which was all good until he got burned for the $12K.
Randy1949
10:02 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
I think it was more like Princess Kwanzaa dropped 'Dearest One' like a hot potato after he sent back photos of himself in swimming trunks. Even Nigerian scammers have their standards.
Bob McBride
10:09 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
It can't just be good old fashioned mom and apple pie greed it's gotta be the seamy pervo stuff with you Randy, doesn't it?
Look at him. He looks like a grown up cast member of "Leave it to Beaver" (get your mind out of the gutter). I'm thinking "Whitey". Would a Whitey do that?
Randy1949
10:42 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
I'll see your 'Whitey' and raise you a 'Larry Mondello'. :)
Bob McBride
10:45 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
Not without a safe lifting harness you don't.
Greg
3:02 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
""Ever do any research into the so called holidays that we celebrate? Well, I have," Wylie wrote. "Other then Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday, Kwanzaa is the only other African American Holiday that we honor and celebrate in this country."
Ever research Juneteenth?
CowDung
3:07 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
What about Black History Month?
Lyssa Beyer
3:22 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Grothman and I did briefly discuss Juneteenth, after I asked him whether a different holiday should replace Kwanzaa. Here's some info on the web about the holiday: http://www.juneteenth.com/
Greg
3:30 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
My comment was directed at Wylie, who seems to want to throw his research into our face. If you present facts your, facts should be factual.
Lyssa Beyer
3:36 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Understood! Just wanted to let all who may read this article/thread that Juneteenth was discussed/exists :) As you were!
Nuitari
6:04 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Juneteeth has typically been the high tide of Milwaukee criminal complaints in recent years. Hood rats celebrate!
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/54-arrested-at-juneteenth-day-celebration-qh5rc93-159666365.html
RockyMissouri
1:18 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I had no idea what that was.... It sounds like an honorable way for ALL AMERICANS to observe, and learn from our rich history.... Especially, to learn about stuff WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED IN GRADE SCHOOL.!
Nuitari
1:33 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
RockyMissouri are you serious? Kids should have learned about a celebration that breaks down into a ghetto riot just about every year in Milwaukee? Juneteeth Day is more BS than Kwanzaa. Perhaps you weren't young enough to be indoctrinated by Black History Month in school like my generation was.
Bob McBride
3:45 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
I would like to request that Patch continue to post more articles on this subject. I've had enough of the physical cliff and gun patrol stuff. More Quanzah, please. It brings out the best in everyone. Thank you.
Jay Sykes
4:50 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
How about a nice blog on the need for the Post Office to 'officially observe' Quanzah with a paid day off;maybe a Monday. We'll get them just a bit closer to a cost saving efficient 5-day a week delivery, but still pay them for 6-days.
Amitiel
4:14 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Pro Black is NOT to white folk what Pro White is to black folk. Whites were never oppressed.
Greg
4:17 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Never?
Roger Aultman
11:21 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
They are now. Roger Aultman
David Tatarowicz
4:49 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
As Mr Grothman is from West Bend, I can see why he is so concerned about this topic --- as he has such a huge Black population in his district.
I wonder if his comments re Kwanzaa would put him into the mentally ill bracket and restrict him from owning firearms --- or maybe it is not that he has a mental illness, but just an IQ slightly less than the IQ of a turnip.
CowDung
5:01 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
David:
Can't you be critical of his statements without making personal attacks with your speculations about mental illness and turnip-like IQ levels? With comments like that, you're starting to sound a bit like Patzfahl...
Nuitari
5:14 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Being called Patzfahl is a personal attack if I ever saw one. I wish that on no one.
Bob McBride
5:22 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
I've heard mentioning Patzfahl 3 times will cause him to appear and become life-size.
oh crap....
Brian Dey
9:39 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
DT- You spout your opinion all the time and I think you have a relatively low IQ. My opinion, of course. He has a right to his opinion, and you do as well. But he stated the truth to how the holiday was started. That you can't change and nor can I.
RockyMissouri
12:08 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
EXCELLENT COMMENT
Morris D
4:53 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
What difference does it make what he thinks? I thought the holiday was created by Hallmark - does that make me bad?
Nuitari
5:16 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Kwanzaa is BS, but for the small fraction of a percent of people that want to celebrate it, good for you.
Luke
7:39 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
This Kwanzaa thing is taking attention away from Tom Barrett's position on mood rings and pet rocks.
Raisin
7:51 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Senator Grothman is building up a portfolio of Constitutional infringements and discriminatory language; attacking Kwaanza freedom of religion, race, and with his attempts to legislate single parenthood as child abuse -- gender and marital status. Would he entertain to mention in a largely Catholic dominated district the history of the Crusades or more currently world court Vatican crimes against humanity pending in regards to crimes against children? Who is Senator Grothman a spokesperson for to even entertain the question of whether or not Kwaanza should be replaced with another holiday? And, why is he even discussing this -- was this a concern brought to his attention overwhelmingly at town hall meetings and his representation of his constituency? Sadly, Grothman's ideology is a well representation of a large segment of his district just as Todd Aiken had a plethora of support despite his misguided comments.
Bob McBride
7:56 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
A little decaf once in awhile wouldn't hurt.
RockyMissouri
12:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Another most excellent comment....!
Irish Guy 53213
8:43 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Was this the best expression of Grothman's Christian faith?
RockyMissouri
12:17 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
He sounds like a soulmate of Todd Aiken.........another, who considers himself a *Christian* ......but clearly, has something much different possessing him...
Bren
1:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Grothman is welcome to his personal opinions. Exploiting his position to spread them is inappropriate. But if his district really doesn't have someone with more professionalism to fill this position they should keep electing Grothman, definitely. He provides a measure of entertainment value for those of us fortunate enough to live outside of his district.
CowDung
1:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Are you going to say the same for anyone that speaks out against 'secularized' Christmas celebrations in the public schools? People seem to be ignoring the Kwanzaa principle of 'Faith' and the typical religious connotations that go along with faith...
RockyMissouri
1:35 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Juneteenth is good thing... We also need to honor our Native Americans...
Nuitari
2:39 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We do by going to their casinos.
Roger Aultman
2:26 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
The Senator is right on in his comments, the alleged holliday is merely another step in advancing a anti-American agenda. Roger Aultman
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