They've already begun.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324595904578123593211825394.html

Locally, the effects of the double-whammy - ACA and the "Fiscal Cliff".

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/health_med_fit/about-meriter-employees-losing-jobs-total-of-full-time-positions/article_3534d5d4-38de-11e2-84a1-001a4bcf887a.html

What exactly is this going to slow down Sooter , just another excuse for your failed campaign promises. By the way I hope all the Vets checked to see if they had their wallets before they left remember Russell was Scooters best friend.

If they just acted more like states like Wisconsin,” Walker said, and this is coming from a thug that the Feds are going to put in prision.

Bob, if Obama wasn't sitting down with Boehner et al, why all the filibusters and obstruction? Boehner isn't the issue. He knows how the Washington game is played and knows how to deal. And has. The issue are the new Tea reps who choose to ignore the concepts of cooperation and compromise.

16+ years of data since the Reagan administration show that trickle down economics does not work as intended. If it did, our economy wouldn't be in the shape it's in and millions of U.S. jobs probably wouldn't have moved overseas. Everyone wants a strong economy. But if we see that one strategy hasn't worked we have to try something else, right?

Bren,

It's Obama. The guy has absolutely no ability to or interest in sitting down with the opposition and hashing things out. That's how things get done. Attempting to negotiate in the public arena never works. Clinton had a Congress that was just as entrenched as this one, led by a guy who makes Boehner and McConnell look like twin pussycats. And yet he was able to get things worked out, because he understood how to get along with people. Obama has shown from the start that he has absolutely no understanding of how to do the same.

There is never an agreement on strategy. There never has been. There are compromises. Those compromises take place via negotiations behind doors in ways that don't publicly humiliate one side or the other. You don't send surrogates and underlings to deal with the heads of Congress. You negotiate with them one on one, you allow them to save face. You don't challenge them in the public arena. As long as Obama attempts to operate in that fashion, all attempts to compromise will fail.

@Bren -

There is no such thing as 'trickle down economics.' It's merely tax policy. The federal government is not charged with creating an economy, nor does it. It is only supposed to regulate and tax economic activity.

The Tea Party reps that you point the finger at are doing exactly what their respective constituencies elected them to do. Would you prefer to see those people's voices be silenced in our society and system of government? Our system of federal government wasn't designed to operate efficiently and smoothly.

Bren, the great 'independent,' would rather participate in a propagandist campaign against the Tea Party and it's principles of limited government and low/fair taxation, labeling them as evil and anti-American, simply because Bren doesn't agree with their viewpoint. Using such scare tactic labels as ALEC, the Koch Bros, plutocrat, and the like.

BTW Bren - it's not the policy of lower taxes that caused millions of US jobs to move overseas. It's consumer demand for cheap goods and services - such as those so-called Americans who claim to be pro domestic labor and paying a family sustaining wage while owning/driving a vehicle that contains a mostly foreign parts content and was assembled in a so-called right-to-work-for-less state - you don't happen to know anyone like that, do you?

Instead of blaming the Tea Party for our current economic condition, perhaps you should look in the mirror more often.

Bob, people used to denigrate old-style Washington politics/business as usual but it's looking pretty good to me now. Things used to get done.

Mr. Hoffa, I see that the car that was given to me as partial payment for contract work has worked its way back up to the top of your issue rotation schedule. This too shall pass. ; )

@Bren -

Check out the picture that Hoffa uploaded just for you :-)

Are you sure that's Bren's car? It looks an awful lot like the "Scorching Deal of Week" I saw in an advertisement for Honest Noelle's Chariots of Fire Auto Emporium.

Lol Hoffa

Bob, "Honest Noelle's Chariots of Fire Auto Emporium." Hilarious!!

I read a statistic somewhere claiming that 80% of Toyota cars that reached 20 years of age are still on the road. As I've repeated many times before, I took less cash and a car for a contract because I was in the mood for a change but hate car shopping. All I regret is the automatic transmission. I'd never owned a car with automatic transmission prior and this will be the last. Feels like I'm driving with training wheels. ; )

@McBride -

LOL!!! That was very awesome :-)

And you're dead on, as both Noelle and Bren drive Toyota Camrys - definitely not an association Hoffa would want to have!

@Bren -

Hoffa thought that you were all about a fair playing field - apparently you are not.

Toyota, and other Japanese and Asian auto manufactures, have significant unfair advantages over American and European manufacturers - 1) they have no legacy (pension and health care for retirees) costs; 2) they pay their employees (both management and line workers) an average of 30% less in wages; 3) they don't have to deal with bad employees and labor unions; 4) they tend to be subsidized by their home governments; 5) they don't have to comply with as heavy environmental regulations; 6) they have a more beneficial corporate taxation structure; etc.

So yeah, they have a lot more money to reinvest into research and development. Imagine what the domestic and European manufacturers could do if they had all those advantages working in their favor.

So how can you indirectly attempt to claim that Toyota's are superior when the playing field isn't very fair? Of course cheaters are going to be able to come up with a great product for less money.

And Hoffa previously offered to help you sell the Toyota and get you into a vehicle assembled with an 80% or higher domestic parts content with pride by the UAW, remember?

Start walking your talk instead of being a hypocrite!

@Hoffa

I totally agree. My family only buys from GM or Ford.

However, let's not forget that we are also supporting more American engineers as well when we buy from the UAW manufactured car companies. People almost always forget about the engineers.

@ Bob McBride ... It's Walker. The guy has absolutely no ability to or interest in sitting down with the opposition and hashing things out. Sound familiar ?

Hard to do when they're all in Illinois hiding out in hotels.

Bucky Sez... "It's Walker. The guy has absolutely no ability to or interest in sitting down with the opposition and hashing things out. Sound familiar ? "
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The President and the Governor are in very different positions:

--The Governor,Senate and Assembly are all controlled by one party.**
--The President and Senate are of one party and the House is controlled by the opposition party.

**Remember, the Healthcare bill (ACA) was passed by the majority party(all three branches), without Any input by the minority party. The majority party had to pass it using reconciliation(a tool intended for budgeting);they could not even make any 'fixes' upon a final passage.

The same percentage. So obviously the millionaire would pay more actual $ which they are. Don't give me this percentage of income is different, if you made investment income you are at the same rate, if it is payroll it is the same rate da.

@dpatric2 -

Walker's reforms have actually vastly improved the private business climate in the state according to ALL sources.

So, if you don't believe it's private business that should be creating family sustaining jobs in our economy, then what/who is it exactly that should be creating those jobs, according to you? And how exactly are Walker's policies hindering that kind of job creation that you demand?

Walker needs to keep tract of WI tax payer money first.

@GovWalker WEDC hires outside help after losing track of millions of loan dollars http://po.st/nSh6bY #wiunion #wipolitics

@Robert Merlin -

Yeah, and the congressional research services are always accurate and correct, aren't they?

How many times have the costs of Obamacare been revised upwards since the legislation first passed?

@Joe Blow -

Very true. However, the more money people are able to keep in their pocket, instead of being forced to pay into the government, the more likely they are to spend their money, thus creating demand.

The problem is American consumerism. We demand cheap goods and services. Goods and services can be provided to us much cheaper by utilizing overseas labor markets, beneficial tax policy, lax environmental standards, low regulations/red tape, etc.

If you really want to blame someone, look no further than at a vast majority of American consumers and their habits. Such as those who post on the Patch and claim to be pro domestic labor and paying a family sustaining wage, but then own/drive a vehicle who's part content largely derives from foreign sources and was assembled in the so-called right-to-work-for-less states.

@James R Hoffa

Everything you say is true. However, I don't believe corporate tax breaks and low taxes for the "rich" will create jobs or help the economy. Get the money into the hands of the middle class. Remember Bush's tax rebate? I spent mine.

@Joe Blow -

Middle class spending on goods and services made/provided with foreign/cheap labor at places such as WalMart will do little to improve the economy for the middle class families looking for family wage sustaining jobs.

To the contrary, a guy like Mitt Romney buying his wife a couple new Lansing, Michigan built Cadillacs with a high domestic parts content every year, or several pairs of Allen Edmond shoes, or a wardrobe of custom tailored domestically produced garments, etc, does help to provide many family wage sustaining middle class jobs.

Yes this is correct....There isn't a small business that is going to hire extra workers if there isn't any work for them to do. A tax cut will not change that. What will change that is putting money in the hands of the middle class so they can create a demand. Demand equals jobs. Tax cut for the job creators means nothing. Sell the product and create jobs. Common sense solution to the problem.

I started my business with the Bush tax rebate. Others kept Marlboro and Miller in business.

@Kathi White -

The problem with a vast majority of middle class consumerism in this country today is that they are spending their money on low cost goods/services that are made/provided by cheap foreign labor. So, how exactly does more middle class spending on such low cost goods/services help provide more family wage sustaining middle class jobs in this country???

Hint - It doesn't, and merely continues to contribute to the problem as opposed to alleviating it.

@James R Hoffa

So you are suggesting that putting the cash in the hands of the people with the most already is the answer? I don't think so. There might be something to your argument about us buying foreign (cheap) goods, but I think even with us buying those cheap goods corporate America is still doing very well. The difference is that corporate America could care less about the middle class (the rest of us). Do more with less, and if you don't like it we will find someone else to do your job!

@Joe Blow -

Until there is a major change in consumer sentiment amongst the majority of the middle class of this nation, we won't see a change for the positive any time soon.

But we don't need to be taking away from those who already have. Remember, we aren't on the gold standard anymore. Wealth isn't a part of a finite pie, but rather infinite, limited only by one's ability to create perceived value in our society. Everyone could potentially be rich if they wanted to be.

The answer isn't "putting the cash in the hands of the people with the most already," but it also isn't taking away even more from those people to be redistributed by government. That would only act to further hurt our situation, as we're about to find out under Obama, unfortunately.

Fairer trade policy that truly leveled the playing field is what would do us the most good.

Need Hoffa remind that Romney was the candidate that talked about getting tough with the unfair global player's such as China. Obama has had 4 years to do something about trade, and has done relatively little other than sign even more disadvantageous FTAs. This after promising in 2008 that one of the first things he'd do as President is renegotiate NAFTA, which never happened - yet another broken Obama promise.

@James R Hoffa

You, as always have many good points but as a middle class worker I have many issues. One of which is being able to hold on to my money! Why do the people who "have" need to be protected by our tax code? They have all the advantages while the people like me see our lifestyle being eroded because someone has to pay the bills. I am not a "lefty" or "righty" I am just someone who does not feel the middle class is getting a fair shake! My wife and I make less $100,000 combined, why should someone who makes twice, three times or more than that be able to ultimately pay less tax through deductions than us? It is not the tax rates but deductions that favor the "rich" and corporations that I will never be able to take advantage of.

@Hoffa Another factor that you failed to mention is the fact that the US is considered a mature economy. This has to do with the aging demographics in our society. Usually the older a person is, then the demand for big ticket items also falls.
As for the middle class: unless wages noticeably increase, then the rate of demand will remain flat. The Wall Street Journal reported the other day that 38% of companies think that there will be no growth for the foreseeable future. I wonder why.

@ KDH-if they payed their going rate,I would agree. You know that none of the big money people do.

Yes, KDH, but what is their percentage of income overall? What is the percentage of the country's wealth that they control?

Things slow down when the bottom 90% has little or no disposable income.

@Randy...

What percentage of the total federal taxes collected should the top 10% pay?
(currently about 70%)

What percentage of the those filing tax returns(income earners) should pay zero income taxes? (now,about 45%)

Are you suggesting a tax on wealth? How would you structure it?

@Jay Sykes -- I'll answer the question when you answer mine. What is the top ten percent's share of the total income? What is their share of the wealth controlled?

Yes, they would seem to pay a disproportionate share of the total federal income tax burden, but that tells only part of the story. I'm not suggesting a tax on wealth. I'm suggesting a tax on high incomes.

@Randy...

I'm asking for you to state 'your' numbers(a specific personal position).

I welcome you to include the percent of total income received by the wealthy or the percentage of the total wealth that they control. Those facts are just a google or two from your finger tips.

I expect that those with with higher incomes will always be required to cover a disproportional portion of the costs of our federal government. The current percentages were included for informational purposes only;as baseline information.

I'm just asking you for your personal opinion on the distribution of the federal tax load among the citizenry. And maybe, an explanation of how you determined your distribution, too.

@Randy1949 -

Again, you want to penalize the wealthy simply because they have more.

Once again, wealth is NOT finite, as you appear to believe it is. To the contrary, ever since Nixon took us off the gold standard, wealth has become infinite, limited only by one's ability to create perceived value in society.

You want to blame and penalize the rich because they've figured out how to create perceived value better than you and others have.

That's not very fair, is it?

Richard how true!. Just look at Greece with over 80% on the public payroll, and the other European nations that can not keep up with the nonproductive sucking up resources. We're next. It doesn't matter who's in the White House. We have to change our spending habits.

Look at this resource hog. If you added up all the input costs - it has cost the local community hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with this problem. There is NO effective way to deal with these people - and resources are limited on a finite Planet.

Money that would have been spent on productive infrastructure, BASIC healthcare for the productive, or other PRODUCTIVE things has been burned and wasted. The time when society can bear this burden is quickly coming to an end - you can disagree with that reality - but reality always wins.

"RACINE — Despite a judge’s order just last week, administrators with Mendota Mental Health Institute have refused to take Wilbert Thomas back.

The Racine man is accused of beating and strangling retired Lake Geneva teacher Sandra Teichow, 67, on Oct. 14, 2010. Thomas, also 67, has had a history of mental issues throughout the more than 2-year-old murder case."

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mental-hospital-defies-judge-refuses-to-take-wilbert-thomas/article_4ecdd88a-3b4d-11e2-a49c-001a4bcf887a.html

Meanwhile people lose their homes, jobs, education suffers - and this sideshow fecal circus continues! Hundreds of Thousands of $$$ WASTED.

When is ENOUGH! ENOUGH! And when do the productive stop being exploited by the non-productive?

We are not at peak oil here in the US, not by a long shot. Most reports now peg the US to be a net oil producer within the decade due to the fracking from ND and other areas. The largest known deposit of oil in the world is sitting in the western US. It's a matter of figuring out how to get it out of the ground economically. And we have more natural gas than we know what to do with.

We have it very good here in the US. Technology is producing very good productivity gains and have been doing so for 20+ years. Everyone looks to China as this almost mythical economic juggernaut. Try a few of these on for size: manufacturing costs will reach parity between the US and China by 2015...China faces a severe water shortage. And have you ever been to Shanghai and seen the color of the sky? Or the color of the water? They might have a pollution problem<sarcasm>.

Here's the elephant sitting in the corner that no one wants to acknowledge: 8-10% unemployment is likely full employment here in the US. Due to the influx of women into the workplace and intelligence required to fill many of today's jobs there is simply 8-10% of the population that don't have the chops to make it. And my fear is that it's that 8-10% of the population that is creating the population growth. In a generation who knows what that employment floor is...15%, 20%?

Dennis, when will you left wing liberals realize you lost???? First, you couldn't keep Walker from becoming Governor. The you tried to buy a seat on the Supreme court. Yep, you lost that also. Then you brought in Union money from all over the country and tried to vote him out. Yep, you lost again. Then you go judge shopping to try and legislate from the courts rather than the ballot box. To use your words "we are all not that stupid and naive to believe your left wing propaganda!! Get real! Dennis you lost, why don't you try and work with what you have, rather than blame Walker every time you get gas!!!!!

Dennis K - why don't we look at one example - Great Britain, and see how tax hikes are working out for them.....

"Shortly after the United Kingdom’s latest big tax hike, Great Britain’s millionaires started voting with their feet. And the result hasn’t been pretty for the British treasury.

Raising the country’s top income tax rate to 50 percent has cost the UK 7 billion pounds — about $11.2 billion — since 2010, according to London’s Daily Telegraph newspaper, as wealthy taxpayers have intentionally worked less, deferred income to future years, moved their earnings overseas or left the country entirely.

Whatever the reason, the British treasury has been the big loser.

“Tax paid by the top earners fell from 13.4 billion pounds before the top tax rate came in to 6.5 billion pounds in 2010/11,” The Daily Mail reported on Tuesday.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/as-uk-millionaires-flee-country-over-tax-hikes-british-treasury-loses-billions/#ixzz2DowMRgAf

@Dennis K -

Could you provide the name of one bus driver that paid more in federal taxes than a so-called 1%er did during the last fiscal year?

Who's the one that's really trying to spread propaganda here?

Tansandy and your thought will be when they toss Walker in prison that it was Obama's fault ?

Sorry, why are you directing these song lyrics at me?

Because your posts indicate that you have a deep-seated unhappiness with what you feel is a lack of material goods - both for yourself and "others". In particular, your concern with money, the money and compensation paid to those in the public sector - and that public sector employees are never paid enough and that you are envious of those in the private sector, especially executives, who are paid very large salary and compensation packages.

While I can agree with your concerns about the large salaries/compensation paid to private sector executives, I do not believe that justifies the same in the public sector.

The song addresses finding happiness outside of the material world - learning to be content with what one has - and seeking fulfillment in spiritual pursuits instead of material pursuits.

That said - To some degree, there is nothing wrong with pursuing material wealth - just that it should be done via the private sector and that it has no place in the public sector.

Richard Head ... Don't quit your day job you will never make it as a singer.

WPN1488 - Whitefish Bay Patch.

German Flag.

Your commenting technique seems to indicate that you may not be what you purport to be - but are trying to direct something somewhere.

Why the German Flag - WITH THESE REMARKS?

No poor people do not start business in general. But large corporations like Baine don't do anything for us either. I lost my job so the company I worked for can pay another person $10,000 a year less than they did me. I lost my pension and a living wage. And now our great Scott Walked has changed the partial unemployment benefits to not pay for anything over 32 hours. Obama did not put me on food stamps..,Scott Walker did! When the Gop makes responsible decisions things will change and not until then.

Employers pay into the unemployment insurance. Corporations are relying on the tax payers to supplement what they pay to cover all the good people they have eliminated maybe the corporations should pay into the unemployment system what they are sending into it. The only way this will stop is for it to hit the profits of the big corporations. These corporations are not making hard decisions. It would be if they were required to pay every dollar their former employees collected in benefits. Scot Walker doesn't make hard decsions either. You would have to have a brain or a heart to do that. And I don't believe he has either.

I was poor when I started my business. But even then I didn't really feel poor sice I have two hands and a brain. Sounds like you were not very valuable as the same work could be done for $10,000 less.

Lol an Obama voter that voted for her own fate. I can't feel too bad for you supporting a socialist that has us heading into another recession.

@Kathi White -

Your blaming Scott Walker for you being on food stamps is absolutely the most ridiculous thing that Hoffa has ever read on the Patch.

Why didn't you offer to work for $10k/yr less if you really wanted to keep your job? What prevented you from doing this?

Obama extending unemployment benefits depleted the states' unemployment insurance funds. And to make up for the run on those funds, Obama significantly increased employer's share of FUTA taxes that go to unemployment insurance, thus creating even more unemployment.

You could be working. There are roughly 300 job openings in SE Wisconsin at this one employer alone:

http://www.mcstate.com/careers/jobs?stateid=48&type=all&locales[]=48%3ABerlin&locales[]=48%3ABig+Bend&locales[]=48%3ABrookfield&locales[]=48%3ABrown+Deer&locales[]=48%3ABurlington&locales[]=48%3ACedarburg&locales[]=48%3AChippewa+Falls&locales[]=48%3ADelafield&locales[]=48%3ADelavan&locales[]=48%3ADodgeville&locales[]=48%3ADurand&locales[]=48%3AEast+Troy&locales[]=48%3AElkhorn&locales[]=48%3AFort+Atkinson&locales[]=48%3AFranklin&locales[]=48%3AGermantown&locales[]=48%3AGlendale&locales[]=48%3AGrafton&locales[]=48%3AGreendale&locales[]=48%3AGreenfield&locales[]=48%3AGreenville&locales[]=48%3AHales+Corners&locales[]=48%3AHartford&locales[]=48%3AHayward&locales[]=48%3AJefferson&locales[]=48%3AKenosha&locales[]=48%3ALake+Geneva&locales[]=48%3AMenomonee+Falls&locales[]=48%3AMequon&locales[]=48%3AMilwaukee&locales[]=48%3AMukwonago&locales[]=48%3AMuskego&locales[]=48%3ANew+Berlin&locales[]=48%3ANew+London&locales[]=48%3ANew+Richmond&locales[]=48%3AOak+Creek&locales[]=48%3AOconomowoc&locales[]=48%3AOconto&locales[]=48%3APaddock+Lake&locales[]=48%3APewaukee&locales[]=48%3APleasant+Prairie&locales[]=48%3APort+Washington&locales[]=48%3ARacine&locales[]=48%3ASheboygan&locales[]=48%3ASouth+Milwaukee&locales[]=48%3ASturtevant&locales[]=48%3AWaterford&locales[]=48%3AWaukesha&locales[]=48%3AWest+Allis&locales[]=48%3AWest+Bend&locales[]=48%3AWest+Milwaukee&locales[]=48%3AWhitewater&Search=

@Bren -

"In fair disclosure I have not read the entire report as I don't care to waste my precious brain power reading partisan b.s."

Given that you've referenced The Daily Kos, Moveon.Org, The Nation, Mother Jones, and other extremely biased sources in the past, your statement that you don't waste "precious brain power reading partisan b.s." is in fact nothing more than extreme hypocritical BS in and of itself.

Try again!

Are you kidding? I source to legitimate news sources and mention in disclosure if the link is embedded within a pertinent blog, etc. Otherwise I provide the direct news source and you know that. Given your continuing comments about DailyKos here on Patch I believe you must spend time there. I understand you have to register and have a username, similar to Patch. What is your DailyKos username?

Geez Bren - could you have given more warning how long it would take to up-load.

Clearly you wouldn't read it - because you wouldn't understand it.

I'll summarize it for you: "The Power to Tax is the Power to Destroy".

Why do public employees from Wisconsin "LOOT AND SCOOT" upon retirement to states like Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Nevada? It's because these States also feature LOW property taxes, Right-to work, and bottom tier pay, benefits and retirements for their public sector employees.

Why is business in business? I think you will find this tough, and perhaps confusing, but it is to make money!!

The year is 2012 - we live in a post-peak oil world filled with 7 billion people all competing for a slice of the pie - given that Americans are resource hogs -
See: "The State of Consumption Today" http://www.worldwatch.org/node/810

As the rest of the world rises, America sinks - it is called resource constraints. We are all going to need to learn to share - austerity is coming to America - UNLESS America goes to war and kills millions-billions of other souls to maintain current consumption levels while denying resources to others. Of course, OTHERS may make war with America first - to obtain those resources for themselves.

Anyways - higher taxes will only lead to more government spending and more government consumption - it is time to deflate government spending, consumption, wages, benefits and retirements - like the private sector.

They feel its all the governments money and the gobument will make it fair and give them a big piece for nothing. But all they ever get is a free phone and locked into servitude

@AWD -- Aren't advertising, equipment, and employee salaries before-tax business deductions?

As for the rest -- 'front office girl'? Don't you mean receptionist/office manager? You know, those people who answer your phones, organize your appointments, handle your bookkeeping, fill out insurance forms, and generally make life easier for you?

Dentist -- that figures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM

They sure are Randy. But if Obama takes that out of profits or personal income you can't out that into the business. In my case all business profits carry over into my personal taxes. The more you take the less I have to use for the business. The only way to gain extra is to get a loan. The more I personally invest the more I make the more taxes I pay. Pretty simple.

So let's see. You're saying that AWD takes a salary of over $250K from his incorporated business, along with any profits over and above expenses plus his own salary. And rather than simply expanding his business with excess revenue, which he could do before taxes, he chooses to invest his 'investment income' back into the practice, or not.

Maybe you missed the part in the debates where President Obama was in favor of reducing corporate taxes rather than the individual marginal rate? I think AWD should put his profits back into his business (not have the profits on top of his salary in the first place) rather than complaining about his personal tax rate.,

@Randy1949 -

A business can't spend money on advertising, equipment, and employee's salaries if they're giving more of their realized earnings/revenue to the government in taxes, can they?

You don't get to deduct expenses unless you have the money to spend up-front in the first place. By taking more from businesses bottom line, they'll have less to spend up-front on such things.

Like Steve ® said, pretty simple, right?

BTW - LOL at Steve Martin and Little Shop! That's what Hoffa immediately thought of as well :-)

Hoffa hasn't been to dentist in over 15 years. Perhaps he needs to make an appointment with AWD!

Hoffa, you don't pay taxes on it, at whatever rate, until it's profit -- what's left over after legitimate business expenses. Even I know that.

@Randy1949 -

Most businesses will do whatever it takes to maintain a decent profit margin, otherwise they're out of business very quickly.

And most small businesses operate on a very small profit margin as it is. If the government starts taking more of businesses' profits in taxes, then business owners will look for ways to maintain their realized profit margins, despite having a higher tax rate on those profits. As it's difficult to increase demand and more within a business' power to cut back on expenses, that's exactly what most businesses will do - cut back on expenses.

That translates to less advertising, less equipment, less employees, etc, not to mention much higher expected employee productivity for lower wages.

I like to keep some profits in the bank to spend and invest for the next year, or even next month. What you propose is we spend every dime of profit on expenses to avoid taxes.

For me to expand or even survive next year there has to be something left over to spend.

Take some of that away and send it to Washington to pay for more debt, doesn't sound like a good investment. Especially when they propose 0 meaningful spending cuts.

Putin VS. Obama

Reading Putin's speech without knowing the author, one would think it was written by Reagan or another conservative in America. The speech promotes smaller government and less taxes. It comes as no surprise to those who know Putin as a conservative. Vladimir Putin went on to say:

"...we are reducing taxes on production, investing money in the economy. We are optimizing state expenses.

The second possible mistake would be excessive interference into the economic life of the country and the absolute faith into the all-mightiness of the state.

There are no grounds to suggest that by putting the responsibility over to the state, one can achieve better results.

Unreasonable expansion of the budget deficit, accumulation of the national debt - are as destructive as an adventurous stock market game.

During the time of the Soviet Union the role of the state in economy was made absolute, which eventually lead to the total non-competitiveness of the economy. That lesson cost us very dearly. I am sure no one would want history to repeat itself."

President Vladimir Putin could never have imagined anyone so ignorant or so willing to destroy their people like Obama much less seeing millions vote for someone like Obama. They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda."

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/

Man Dick. You are really unhinged.

Yes, Keith:

"Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild"

http://www.amazon.com/Unhinged-Exposing-Liberals-Gone-Wild/dp/0895260301

Malkin offers a hilarious proof of the utter hypocrisy of Democrats who fashion themselves as role models of tolerance and civility.

Pretty talented to be posting while sleeping. Hope your dream is going well. Anyway mad props on that skill.

~ cuddles and fluffy pillows

No dream Steve, you don't let felons off easy unless they give you enough usable information to go soft on them. Notice how Walker does all the media blitz and the D A and the feds say nothing. Walker talks to get the D A to open up about information that he thinks he may be able to use to spin lies and create his stragie but its not working for Scooter. Bottom line ... Walker will be going to prison. Like it or not.

@Bucky -

You do realize that if Walker isn't ever charged that you'll like a gigantic ass, don't you?

Hoffa ... and if it turns out like I think it will , what will be your response ? Come on Hof I know that your smarter then that. Four convictions out of five , and the fifth is going down hard. Walkers little circle of best friends are all criminals, not to hard to figure out here. All given soft convictions in exchange for valuable information. Walker even sold out his best friend Russell and what was Walkers comment on Russells conviction, Walker condemded him. What no sadness, no tears, no heart felt feels towards your best friend Scooter ? Lets see how it plays out Hof but my monies on Walker going to Levenworth.

The sweetness of winning the recall could never be soured by any black man. My only regret is that you losers can not try again so we could enjoy electing the best Governor ever for the third time in his first term.
So shove that up your schadenfrude.

On a scale of borrowing taxpayer money, not paying it all back and having nothing happen to you - to - pilfering funds and having the book thrown at you, I'd say his deal was closer to the latter. Who/what do you have to do/know to/about whom in order to get the former?

Wrong again Keith. This is an outrageous sentence for the crime:

http://www.fdlreporter.com/article/20121126/FON0101/311260316/10-years-probation-given-baby-s-death

Another one? I don't know where you folk are getting the impression that Russell got a lenient or sweet deal. Actually, compared to similar crimes, his sentence was actually quite harsh. Heck, the lady that stole thirty four million dollars from Koss only got eleven years, and this was a tiny fraction of what she stole.

Just do an internet search for embezzlement and see what you find for similar crimes and what the sentences were. If indeed Russell's deal was contingent on testifying against Walker, as you are asserting without any apparent foundation, then he needs to fire his attorneys because he got robbed.

If you were prone to speculation, a more reasonable one would be that he got the sentence he did because he wouldn't roll on anyone or had no one to give up. But that too would be speculation.

Michelle and the kids.

You should have been tossed in prison for fraud.

Maybe it is the 6.9% unemployment rate. In comparison to a state that follows Barry's lead, like Illinois, 8.8% unemployment and $271 Billion in debt. All done with massive tax increases.

@James...
ha ha. your post is a joke.

@GovWalker WEDC hires outside help after losing track of millions of loan dollars http://po.st/nSh6bY #wiunion #wipolitics

Is morninmist now batting for the other team? Confusion is the primary trait of a lefty.

WEDC is still doing better than WEAC.

Anti: CEOs prefer states with low labor costs. Also, they prefer higher unemployment rates so the workers are more desperate. Why wouldn't they?

Actually Dick, CEO's prefer a state where they are able to make a profit more easily. When a state burdens the business climate with unnecessary regulations and burdensome taxes. they are less likely to do business there. A lower cost labor pool does help their bottom line, but typically lower costs of living go with it.

Actually Anti, you need to come out of the closet with what you so generally and conveniently condemn as "unnecessary regulations" . No one wants truly unnecessary regulations. But, of course, you are talking about regulations regarding air and water pollution, worker safety, zoning, environmental protections, etc. You are also inferring adding new laws, like tort limits.

Actually Anti, CEO's prefer their employees to be in a state of desparation period.

Dirk and Mike, you are both wrong.
First Mike, in order for business to sell goods and services they need a strong middle class and a solid economy. You can build all the doo-dads as cheaply as you want. If there is no one that can buy them you have just wasted your money.

Dirk, the regulations I am talking about are the ones that are put in place to give bureaucrats a sense of accomplishment. Things like the thousands (at least it seemed like that) of pages we had to sign when we took out our mortgage a couple of years ago. Or how about our current mining application process. It killed the Crandon mine twenty years ago. Even after several years and hearings covering the same ground again and again, the mine still didn't get approval. No wonder the owners sold the land first chance they got.

We are way too business un-friendly in this state. If you want a healthy economy, you need to give businesses a chance to operate at a profit.

@Anti You stated on your earlier post that " A lower cost labor pool does help the bottom line, but typically lower costs of living go with it." This is simply untrue. The Fed's inflationary policies are actually increasing costs of living while wages have remained virtually stagnant. The buying power of the middle class is declining, hence slower economic growth.
The CEO of Verizon Wireless was on TV the other day furious over the employees of Walmart and McDonald's picketing over higher pay. He was livid that low income people would even think about having a wage even near the poverty line.
It was reported that the Walton family, which are the main owners of Walmart, could give all of their employees a 20% raise just by using their federal tax breaks. Not one penny will be used for this purpose.
Corporate America is sitting on 1.8 trillion dollars in cash. Oh, how they suffer.

@Anti - Your examples of unneeded regulation were put in place to protect people's health, well-being, and financial security. You are way out there on the anti-people scale, as usual. So very sorry you were burdened by signing forms at your closing for your house. Those forms protect buyer and seller alike, and assure you at least have the chance to know what you are getting into.
When you look at the m.o. of that controversial mining company, Cline, supposedly interested in mining Up North, they invest a lot of time and money getting mining laws changed and eliminated, and then step in to cash in with lax government controls, pillaging and raping the environment on their way to a fast buck. They will probably never mine, just sell their interests to a real iron mining company and flip a billion profit after getting the laws changed.

Some of us are not whores for business. We value the people and the land also. You make a poor case for selling out our protections we have crafted over the years.