@Brian Dey... For purposes of the recall petition, what constitutes a valid signature?

@Denise Lockwood... I think many Patch readers would be interested to know 'The definition of a valid petition signature' and would be interesting in a 'walk through' of the process to have a signature invalidated.

A valid signature must include a name and address that match up, in the case of te Governor or Lt. Governor, it has to be anyone residing in the state of Wisconsin. As for the Senate districts, they must live in the district. You must check of the municipality, although I have seen where these have been counted in the past, and you must have the date (I've never see an exception on this) and the date must be on or after the starting date of the recall and cannot be after the circulators date put down.

The circulator must have a name that matches the address put down and must be a resident of Wisconsin, and for Senate districts, must live within the district (I believe there was a change to this requirement in 2002). This must also be dated. If it is found that the circulator doesn't live in the required area,or did not date the sheet, the entire sheet can be challenged and all signatures on the sheet are invalid.

You cannot sign for someone else and you cannot use anything other than your legal name when signing.

Once challenged, you must have an affidavit and reason with the the number of the signature and page, or if a circulator discrepancy, the page number and offer your reason for the challenge. The petitioner has the right to respond to the challenge and the determining body is the GAB for a ruling.

Either side can appeal to the courts and then it can run it's course through the legal system. Hope this helps.

@Jay - According to Justin Phillip, Sen. Wanggaard's campaign manager, volunteers at the GOP Victory Center were trained to be sure all fields were filled in; the date signed matched the period in which signatures could legally be collected; and that the printed name was at least clear and easy to read.

I don't know, honestly, if that's how it will work at the GAB level.

Thanks, Brian! That helps a lot for understanding more about the process.

If it is required that you be a district resident then there are a number of red flags. Ms So and So who lists her address on Fratney St in Milwaukee signed quite of number of pages as circulator. I trust the reviewers catch this. I don't believe Fratney St in Milwaukee qualifies for in district requirement

"The circulator must be a resident of Wisconsin, and for Senate districts, must live within the district " if this is true, wouldn't that invalidate all the sheets the GOP had trying to recall the Senators? It was found they hired out of state people to circulate recall petitions & get sgnatures.

In the case of the recall petitions for Walker, the circulator, or collector does not have to be a resident of the state.

@JRH - I made the correction to Government Accountability Board. Thanks for noticing!

I still do not and cannot agree with posting these things online. There is just too much potential for trouble and I think that how the average citizen votes or whether or not they support the recall with a signature is no one's business but their own.

I strongly disagree with you there, Heather.

They are collecting signatures to remove a person from office before their term has expired. If someone wants to take such a drastic action, they should be willing to stand behind their signature in support of that action. The process needs to be as transparent as possible--petitions (and the identities of those who sign) need to be a matter of public record to ensure the integrity of the process.

ugh... I fail... thanks for catching and fixing it. Sorry.

Ronald McDonald is not necessarily a fake name. My fiance went to school with a guy who has that name and that was before McDonalds decided to get into the clown business.

@Denise -

Good point about Ronald McD!

However, I think that we can all agree that 'Sunshine Hippygirl' is clearly a false name unless your mother is Gwyneth Paltrow :-)

Was there also going to be a posting for the governor's recall? I do want to check it just to make sure my name is not on the list...

Being used to voting privately, I can't help but feel that the recall signatures should also be private. Post my name if you must, GAB, I just don't want "selected" advertisers using the signature lists to add to their marketing lists. Please!

@Bren, then you better quit dealing with anything in the government, on the internet, using a cellphone, credit card, or computer generated robo calls. All that information is being sold. If you donate to a political campaign your name is somewhere on the internet, how much and who you donated to.

Bren- Next time you want to use the Koch Bros. conspiracy theory, check out this:

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

You'll notive that the biggest donors and most of the top twenty are either unions or Dem superPAC's, so please, enough about the Koch Bros.

For those that choose not to look, Koch Bros are number 77 on the list, while public worker unions occupy most of the top 12.

And on the topic, you should not feel threatened by your signature appearing. We don't use lists for boycotts or mass demonstrations. We seen the poor promo you guys get for those kind of thing.

And Bren, check out the latest polls. Long live Walker!

Mau, humour...

Brian, to what Koch brothers conspiracy theory are you referring? Every piece of information I cite is available to anyone who spends a few minutes on research.
And your link cites campaign contributions. Unfortunately, thanks to Citizens United, the real story is now harder to trace (i.e. Super PACs).

I did check out the MU poll. I broke the cited poll pool down elsewhere, most white, most 45 or older, most with advanced degrees or some college (suggesting higher income). I have read hearsay accounts that the pollster is a Republican and the polling pool is Franklin, WI. I myself would say it is too early for a poll of this type. Let's see what happens when a candidate is actually identified, it may be none of those in the poll.

@Bren, I do have to give you credit for my reading more about the Koch family and their ties to the JBS. And doing some added reading about Joe Kennedy Sr. and his hands in the stock market crash of 1929. Thanks to you I have a new-found respect for their family and in particular their father. Especially after reading the differences in the impact Fred Koch vs Joe Kennedy Sr. had on the US and it's economy.

The entire Kennedy clan represents the absolute worst of the worst kind of element of America!

The Kennedy's make Hoffa sick to his stomach!

@ Bren, this may be the only thing I agree with you on:)! Recall signatures should remain private. There is no value to the process in making them public.

If you want to support the effort then volunteer to review signatures. Although debatable if it is going to be used, you can go to www.verifytherecall.com and click on the tab "no sign registration" to enter your information to state that you DID NOT sign the recall. IMO, this is one good check and balance to ensure valid signatures (and in keeping with why I support voter ID).

@Jay - actually, I support an open and transparent government, but even if it does comply with state statute, I still disagree with it.

@conservachick - and that is part of the reason why I disagree with posting the signatures online. It's unacceptable to harass anyone - on either side - for signing a petition and exercising their rights as given to them under the state constitution.

@Heather -

I whole heatedly agree that it is unacceptable to harass anyone for signing a petition. But as pointed out by conservachick, last time, when the petitions were not posted online and subject to review by the party of the official being recalled, it was the opposing political party that was using information obtained from the petitions to harass the petition signers.

So, how do you verify the validity of the signatures in a non-transparent manner while maintaining the integrity of the process, as there's just as much, if not more potential for falsifying petitions that aren't adequately reviewed in a transparent manner? When you have something as partisan and divisive as this is, who could you honestly rely on to verify signatures in a non-transparent manner while maintaining such integrity to everyone's mutual satisfaction?

That's why the more transparent, the better. But I agree that there should be harsh laws against harassment to deter such from happening, if such laws are not already on the books. I'm guessing that such laws are not on the books otherwise the DPW should have been punished for what they did last time, and clearly, they never were. By putting the petitions online, or even better yet in an easily searchable database, you can turn the responsibility for verifying the validity of the signatures over to the citizens. After all, isn't that the way it should be in a democratic republic?

More from your link.

Seems to me that the Dem Party had good reason to do follow up calls.

.....

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/may/18/kim-simac/wisconsin-tea-party-leader-says-democrat-hired-tel/

Holperin said he authorized the calls because, although petition circulators who worked under Simac were "earnest, honest and friendly," more than a third of the 23,000 signatures were collected by Kennedy Enterprises, a Colorado marketing and consulting firm hired by the Wisconsin Republican Party. Those petition circulators were often aggressive and misleading when they asked residents to sign petitions, Holperin said.

According to Holperin, 534 petition signers -- about 10 percent of those who were called by the Minnesota telemarketing firm -- said they were given misleading information and that they asked to have their names removed from the petitions. He said that was the basis for a complaint he filed with the Government Accountability Board challenging the petitions.

"So, did we ‘insinuate’ that foul play had occurred?," Holperin said. "You bet we did, and we think we offered ample evidence that backs up our claim."......

@morninmist -

And you honestly believe that hanky-panky wasn't found with any of the signatures collected by those seeking to recall elected members of the GOP?

Yeah, keep dreaming!

The difference is that the GOP respected the privacy rights of those signing the petition and didn't feel the need to hire an out-of-state firm to call people that had signed those petitions, unlike the DPW.

BTW - How exactly did the DPW challenges hold up with the GAB again? I'm pretty sure that most of those challenges were dismissed without merit, remember?

Try again.

Was telling Heather A. today that we needed to check in with them to see how things were going on their end. We'll definitely follow-up. ;) BTW... I'm having a Patch meet-up Friday night at the Shuffle Bear North at 7 p.m. You coming?

;) everyone's invited... I'll have some Patch T-shirts to give away and pens.... oooo Patch pens.

@ Brian
I do not recall commenting on that issue nor saying what you think I said.

@morninmist -

I believe that Brian is referring to comments made by a person with the screen name 'morninmist same.'

Is that by chance another of your alter egos here on Patch? If so, then Brian is dead on right and you are nothing more than a partisan hypocrite employing a double standard premised upon political preference.

If not, then perhaps you should have chosen your screen name a little more carefully, as someone else already has a screen name containing the nom de plume of 'morninmist,' thereby warranting such confusion.

Hoffa
I believe I will let Brian speak for himself.

Hopefully crazy Racine County Rep. Party Treasurer Tom "Back my Lexus into Signature Collectors" Bode won't be involved in this process. We wouldn't want him using the addresses to find other people to try to run down.

@Bren -

Do you really feel it necessary to perpetuate an unconfirmed incident? Is rumor mongering really your new style of discussion? Please, show us your unbiased independently corroborated proof that Bode tried backing his vehicle into anyone, as I for one would like to see that proof.

But if all you have is links to biased websites containing nothing but biased witness accounts and inconclusive photos of a car and license plate, then please don't waste our time and stop spreading rumors while claiming to be an 'independent.'

Remember, I can take inconclusive photos of a car littered with liberal bumper stickers and post them on a conservative leaning website with biased witness accounts of how the driver attempted to back us over. Would you believe it and perpetuate those rumors here on Patch?

A true independent wouldn't believe either biased side to this incident without some independent corroboration. Both gave a different story as to whether or not the signature gatherers even had permission from Emil Infusino to be soliciting on his property in the first place, remember? So find out from Emil directly who is telling the truth about that and then we'll actually have something upon which to base the character of each side's story, won't we? Until then though, it's nothing more than a he said, they said, isn't it?

Knock it off gullible Bren and start acting like an independent if you really are one, which we all already know you're really NOT!

The petitions have always been available online........... Didn't you check the ones from last year?

Nicki, any petition is considered an open record and is not subject to any sort of privacy.

True, the petitions have to be made public but . . . they do not have to be posted online.

Posting names does in fact serve a purpose. It makes you aids ridden lefties cross your T's and dot your I's.
Attacks and retaliation are unfortunate, but they are far from being limited to us rabid rights.
I guess if you had a legit reason for the recall, I would feel more sorry for you. But seeing as the entire recall is nothing more than an attack and retaliation, you reap what you sow.

Greg, "aids ridden lefties" ...? That is really sad.

He keeps calling us "rabid", just returning the favor.
Once again, you reap what you sow.

I agree with Mr. Farkas. It seems like the Dems are paranoid, which would would be consistent with some of the other behaviors they've exhibited. GO SCOTT

@morninmist -

I would reply if I could actually understand what it is that you're trying to get at here. My original point was that your side is just as guilty, if not more so, of hanky-panky in regards to the recall petitions, and to not admit such is clearly living in denial.

The facts of the matter are that the GOP didn't hire anyone to call and harass those who signed the GOP recall petitions, unlike what the DPW did by hiring a firm from Minnesota to call and harass Dem recall petition signers. That's because the GOP respected the privacy of those who signed the GOP recall petitions. The same cannot be said of the DPW, can it?

Also, it's obvious that the DPW's claims of fraud against the recalls of the Democratic senators were dismissed by the GAB, otherwise those elections wouldn't have been held last summer after the GOP recalls, remember? But, if you really need links to refresh your memory, here they are:

http://wtaq.com/news/articles/2011/jun/08/recall-elections-approved-for-three-democratic-senators/
http://wsau.com/news/articles/2011/jun/08/recall-elections-approved-for-three-democratic-senators/

Cheers!

Not surprised, with an attitude like yours, I kinda would like to beat you into a fine powder and I have never met you. You tend to lay it on pretty thick in a forum, so you must be a real piece of work, in real life.

Like you have no atitude Greg. Talk about a piece of work, more like a P.O.S.

But i'm on the side of Right and Good, and my attitude supports that.
I do not understand why I am like a Point Of Sale, must be an inside lefty joke.

But who posted it??? Who really posted it??? It could be another attempt to make the opposition look bad.

The author is anonymous, but it's interesting that the first "like" is from Operation Burn Notice. I have learned that a number of people have already reported the site to facebook/violence/credible threat of violence and the FBI.

Reported, as it should be.

It's hard to determine exactly what the motivation is behind this page. The About banner reads "Crazy right wingers know where you live." I really can't tell if they are serious or trying to make up a right wing conspiracy.

Regardless, I am going to make an appeal as a fellow Wisconsinite to all supporters of Governor Walker. DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID. It just adds fuel to their fire. You know how this works. If a conservative runs their shopping cart into a liberal's, it makes the Ed show for a week, Stewart, Colbert and Olberman (oh wait, he's gone). We will win this. The facts are on our side. Governor Walkers reforms are working. Just keep the faith and we will win this battle the right way, not by doing anything stupid.

Oh yea, it's still OK to post all the errors that get posted hundreds of times every day.

@Bren -

This is obviously a liberal ploy designed to make the pro-Walker crowd look bad. First, they refer to the pro-Walker side as being "right-wingers." Second, a wall post actually cites to the Daily Kos and a Yahoo! article entitled "Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice." Third, just look at some of the responses to the comments made to the individual wall postings. Fourth, I find it curious that the first to report on the existence of this facebook page were liberal blogs, as if it truly were 'right-wing' radicals, they surely would have been bragging about it on radical conservative blogs, and I have yet to find one that even mentions this facebook page.

Let's do some independent thinking and analysis here Bren. It doesn't take Magnum P.I. to figure out that this is a liberal hit page attempting to discredit the pro-Walker constituency. Just another shenanigan from the lefty liberal's bottomless bag of tricks!

In fact, there are several examples of the page's steward just trashing conservatives in the comments made on the wall postings, much in the way you do here on Patch. Here's just one choice example:

"The right-wing is twisted. God forbid you are a foreigner, or a broad or some kind of retard. They will spew their ignorance and hate and most likely, their wad."

Still think that this is coming from the right? If you're truly outraged about this facebook page, perhaps you should be talking to your buddies over on the Daily Kos!

BTW - If Operation Burn Notice was the first to like this page, then that tells me that OBN was also created, controlled, and perpetuated by the left.

Much like the Democratic ploy in Michigan to create and register fake Tea Party candidates in order to split the conservative vote, this impersonation tactic is coming from the same old bag of ticks that the left just loves to use.

It's really starting to get old though, so please ask your buddies to knock off these stupid shenanigans!

Anti, I observe that the author of this page now purports to be making veiled threats veiled as "warnings" of what could happen. The author seems to be very immature/very young. The site has been reported as mentioned above, and I imagine it will be pulled soon.

The individual who found and shared the page was concerned about the escalation of hostilities, having had to deal with a lot of blowback as a result of obtaining recall signatures.

I agree that actions like this do not help, not to persuade people, not to ease tension. The tire slashings a few years ago, a site like this--it's disappointing and immature.

Bren, 100% agree with action like this being immature. You notice I had said I wasn't sure if this was a spoof or the real thing. Either way it is stupid. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion (no matter how smart or dumb I think it is). I chose the moniker The Anti-Alinsky because unlike Saul Alinsky, I don't believe that throwing a hissy fit, getting in people's faces, or harassing them to point where they just give in is s a good practice. Educate people, show them the facts, and most will make a logical reasoned choice.

Got a number on how many Democrats?

Once again mourningmist you are wrong........ The recalls from last year are even STILL online.................. So guess you are the one that has not checked.

Booyah!!

Please post the link.

...............
Cynthia

3:55 pm on Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Once again mourningmist you are wrong........ The recalls from last year are even STILL online.................. So guess you are the one that has not checked.

Booyah!!

mourningmist............... do your own checking........ as usual you don't know how to find correct information........ maybe that's why you are so misinformed........ HINT ** GAB site where they would be posted.................

You're assuming that, if true, those searching recall signatures will react unfavorably to finding one of their employees on there. Maybe - maybe not.

Regardless, that's the chance you take. Of course all those who gathered signatures made it perfectly clear to those signing that they were becoming part of a public record - right?

I suppose you also believe that company's do lay-offs according to the obama bumper stickers in the parking lot....................

Bob and Cynthia,
I get what you are saying, but I see the other side. I have to believe that we have all been in a public situation where we didn't scream out our beliefs and ideals for fear of undue judgement be placed upon us. I don't wish that to be forced on anyone, republican or democrat, atheist or Hindu. Forcing someones personal beliefs to be public knowledge isn't fair or just. I do believe that in the current time element, there are not many options. In the future, if there was a way for people to search their name(and there name only) to verify it wasn't on or that it was, I think that would be more desirable. Or, if our voter id's were given a bar code that we could just swipe it to be on the recall, meaning no card no "vote". Is there a perfect system? not really. But there are more desirable ones than what we have now.

Say What?, going into this everybody knew what the circumstances were. Perhaps they're not ideal, although as Cynthia noted, people freely plaster bumper stickers all over their cars They put signs out in front of their houses, wear buttons and discuss politics openly in public. I think if there was a propensity for employers to fire people based soley on their political beliefs, there'd be at least some past evidence of such to point to.

I don't think it's a perfect system either. I think the fact that you can pretty much recall anyone for any reason as long as you can convince enough people that the person being recalled is Satan's offspring needs to be changed.

I have little sympathy after-the-fact for those like morninmist who collected signatures, knowing full well that the names they were collecting were going to be part of the public record and subject to review by virtually anyone, including family, bosses and other associates. I sincerely hope they made that perfectly clear to each and every person they collected a signature from. If you're going to involve people in your effort to force an unprecedented series of recalls, it's definitely your duty to make sure YOU make the people you're involving aware of the potential consequences.

say what? would you also agree it's not 'fair' to FORCE someone to belong to a union to have their employment? Is if 'fair' to FORCE someone to pay dues?

Cynthia,
I don't think they should be forced, but I also dont think that they should be privy to the wages, benefits, and rights that the union has bargained. That could mean, in instances, that they might get paid more! It depends on what they bargain with their employer. I think that is fair, let me know if it isn't.

Anyone else bothered by Keith's "jackboot" reference above? I, for one, equate "jackboot" to "stormtropper" to .....well, I'm sure you see where that goes. So, I take great offense to your reference, Mr Schmitz. Pls choose your insults more carefully.

Not a big fan of the 'Star Wars' movies?

@Bewildered -

Best to leave the 'politically correct' arguments to the lefties, as they tend to be pretty petty and that's more their style than ours.

I agree, I went through several hundred signatures looking for people I knew. It is so time consuming. I hope someone sets up a database because there are many pages with only one signature to slow the process down.

Apples to oranges. If you and million others like you donate your pocket change to a "super PAC" supporting Democrats, your personal information doesn't become part of the public record. If some rich lefty signs a recall petition, their information becomes part of the public record.

Because it is the way of the Fascists.

A bit hypocritical? The corporatists are all knowing, all powerful and buying our government one Walker at a time.

GL........... LOL Yup bring back the ones that taxed and raised fees....... good move.... just what people will vote for.... more tax and spend... They were voted out for a reason....

Better to have Walker's so called blindly loyal Successful lieutenants than Jim Doyle's blindly loyal lieutenants with a track record of COMPLETE FAILURE . No thanks ....I don't want to go back lol

BTW...... there will be no legislation done before the next elections in NOV........ Why do you think Republicans didn't put out recalls for the dem senators that refused to do their jobs and ranaway and waste Taxpayer funds? Nov. elections are what matters....

Jim Doyle had his failings as governor (and what politician doesn't?) but I must point out that when Tommy Thompson left office to join the Bush administration (2001) he left us with a $3b deficit and $5b in unfunded highway building projects. We also had one of the highest gas taxes in the country to partially fund highway projects.

@Cynthia...Republicans attempted to recall 8 Senators this past year, 3 were certified but none were recalled.

Hello Cynthia
Look here....

Cheers

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/spotlight/index.htm

The Week of January 30, 2012

The most recent legislative floorperiod began on January 17, 2012, and concluded January 26. The next scheduled floorperiod is February 14 through 23.
.............

Cynthia

10:49 am on Wednesday, February 1, 2012

BTW...... there will be no legislation done before the next elections in NOV.......

mourningmist Cheers and what new Senators will be involved during that legislation....

Sen. Wanggaard and Sen. Fitzgerald's petition data base is online..... Easy to search your name with petition page # so you can look at the signature.... Funny thing... each data base, first page you can see multiple signing....

The biggest 'issue' that I have seen from my random scanning of signatures is that the 'voting municipality of residence' field has been completed by the petition circulator rather than the petition signer in many places. Sometimes the circulator initialed the entry, but many times they did not.

I found a couple of instances where the person printed their name, but left the signature field blank.

I found 10 signers, all with different last names (including one signing as "ET") under the same address. Interestingly, that same address is also used by the circulator.

I didn't find any signatures from where I live, aside from one that listed a Madison address, but Shorewood as their voting residence.

JW
You and other TeaGOP sure act paranoid. Stop listening to Charlie, vicki and RW echo chamber for a while.

PDF file--get busy and chart your work. Good luck.

I am an independent moderate... have voted relatively balanced for both sides in prior elections. I am 100% sure there are SOME fraudulent signatures in the set... I do not know how many would be in there. Do I think it would be so many as to invalidate the full recall? No way. Do I think its impossible that it could be? No. I just would like people to have the ability to look to see if their name was signed to determine whether that kind of activity was very rare, very common or something in between. If people all over the State started widely indicating that they were added to the list without doing it themselves, I'd want to know about it. My opinion on this is of my own thought process, I do not listen to any political talking heads from either side and I certainly do not align myself with the Tea Party... but like any political group of either side they probably have a few viewpoints I agree with among many I dont.

At least looking at Wanggaard's recall list, I find I am not listed... and very few people around my neighborhood were listed... which I find interesting. Had many been listed I would take that as a different sign from finding only one. I hope they do this for the Walker recall list as well, it should be an interesting gauge.

In reviewing the data base coming out you can start seeing the multiple signatures, slight misspelling of a name yet same address... I'm sure once the data base starts going through the 12 data bases set up we will see more fraud. Until then we can only guess at the amount that will be tossed.

@JW... did you miss the day of home schooling where you should have learned to break up your musings into paragraphs so that they can be read?

What i can discern from your rant makes little or no sense. A lot of projection seems to be included also.

Yeah Mrs. Peal... not everyone can be as smart and brilliant as you are, apparently. Are you new to the Internet? Newsflash for you... many rules of grammar are broken on the Internet on a regular basis... if you do not realize that, you are going to spend much of your life correcting posts online and few will care beyond it making you look like a (insert whatever unflattering term you prefer here). Online, I may not take the team to break a block into paragraphs... I may use run-on sentences and I certainly will overuse "...". Somehow, I can live with that...

skinnyDUDE, et al.,
"1000's and 1000's of signitures were obvious fraud..." Is there an objective source to how many signatures are being discounted as this process goes along or will we learn the final count only at the end?

If the voter residence information is left blank, does it invalidate the signature?

Yup if there is no number or street address it's invalid... have seen many of those.

Cow Dung
If it is challenged (and this one would be given that the residence is left blank). we have a window [sorry I forget the number of days) to fix it. Basically, we will try to contact the person. If able to contact the person, that person can sign fix it. (fill in the missing information. That person's ID is checked and the sheet of paper is noterized.

It so happens that as petitions came in to the Democratic Party or United Wisconsin in each county, they may have noticed the missing information and contacted them at that time. The notorized sheet is then attached to the petition and sent to Madison. When scanning them, none of the notorized sheets [with the fixed information] is scanned. So some of the errors that people are noticing are already fixed. I am not saying all of them but some of them. So when the challenge comes in from the Senators or Gov or Lt. Gov. it May already have been fixed.

Morningmist, thanks for the clarification. Your side did their work well.
Now it is time for the other side to do their job.
Of course there will be many questions raised, so may be legitimate and some may be bogus. Perhaps most of this will be answered and corrected when the datebase is created for people to verify if they are/belong on the list.
As one who circulated the papers, were you aware that this was public record. ie: the names would be made public?

Mourningfist: I still am waiting for an answer...Typical to ignore those questions you do not want to provide answers to, but this is pretty simple- even you should be able to answer.

Oh Misty?????
Are you pleading the 5th on this or what?
Seriously it is a respectable question.

I have been saying all along......... they are way under 1 million...........

Somewhere, Niederfrank?? You dolt. It was in the very article you're commenting on. That's right, slap your forehead. :-)

The 1.9 million includes more than just the Walker recall signatures. 1 million were supposedly submitted for Walker, 800k for Kleefish, and the remainder must be for the senators.

I took a couple more counts of random sets. Sheets 3901-3950 had a total of 419 signatures and set 98001-98050 had 205.

Combine those with the three I did yesterday, and we end up with an average of 306.4 signatures per sheet. That average over the 2000 sheets gives an estimated 612,800 signatures collected for the recall Walker effort.

I counted all signatures that were not already crossed out by the petitioner.

TH3: Verified by whom? The GAB doesn't check to be certain the name on the petition is actually THAT person. ie; I could sign anyone's name and use any address, I could use my own name and several different addresses on multiple forms.
This is why the database should have been created by the GAB, as no one person could remember 1Million different bits of information.
(though I suspect you memorized every serial number on every dollar bill you have hanging on the clothesline ;-P)
P.S. Ginger called, she wants her pantyhose back.

Again with the home-schooling... which makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever being called out simply because I posted without paragraphs. You may have been using the Internet since Al Gore first invented it... but, I don't think you really get it. Only grammar snobs get so bent out of shape over this stuff online. Usually it comes down to a simple fact that people often pop in with limited time and past quickly... hence there are sometimes errors or, heaven-forbid, people do not follow grammatical rules to a T. If you just pointed out the grammar without the snippy/elitist remarks it would likely come across just a touch better. You might need some work on reading comprehension by the way because nowhere in my post did I claim to be "proud of sloppy writing" or even mention pride related to writing at all. Anyway, I am sorry for the wasted time with this particular post but I felt I had to at least respond to the drivel being presented.

While his grammar may be sub-par, it's typically considered an argument of last resort in debate. It's pretty much understood that when you are left with punctuation arguments that you have lost.

There is a old expression that seems to fit: When the facts are against you, you argue the law. When the law is against you, you argue the facts. When you don't have either, you pound the table and yell like hell.

That's some nice table pounding Mrs. Peel... ;-)

oh yeah skinnyDUDE--Walker's Wisconsin is doing sooooooooo well (NOT).

http://uppitywis.org/blogarticle/federal-reserve-predicts-walkers-wisconsin-will-continue-fail

Federal Reserve predicts that Walker's Wisconsin will continue to fail
Submitted by oldmoderate on Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:05am

On February 2, the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia released the leading indexes for the 50 states for December 2011. "The leading indexes are the six-month forcast of the state coincident indexes, which reflect current economic activity in each state," According the Federal Reserve, the leading index for each state predicts the six-month growth rate for the state's coincident index. Also according to the Federal Reserve, forty-four state coincident indexes are projected to grow over the next six months.

ONLY SIX STATES ARE PROJECTED TO DECREASE OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

SCOTT WALKER'S WISCONSIN IS ONE OF THE SIX FAILING STATES!

If this is what Scott Walker's Republicans call success, what do they consider as failure?..............

Hmmm... "what do they consider as failure?

I would consider massive layoffs of public employees and police failure. I would consider cities declaring bankruptcy to get out of contracts and pension programs failures. I would see massive spending roll backs as failure.

These are the failures happening in other states, failures that Wisconsin didn't have to suffer through because our states leaders made the unpopular choices they did.

@Morninmist
Continue to drink the Kool Aid. Walker is correcting 8 years of Doyle. You do realize he accomplish more in one year than Doyle did in his career. I mean you get your news from a progressive blog? lol The obvious improvements to the state are continuing. Walker wins the day time and time again on Results. You need to sharpen your talking points if you label California and Illinois a success and Wisconsin the failure lmao