That's a bet I'd take - with someone else.

Where is Hoffa's Fifty?
Lucky he don't throw you a haymaker.

@low-life POS scum bag Schmitzy -

Where's Hoffa's fifty ($50)?

In Schmitzy's case, never a good idea to renege on a bet with man with Detroit and Chicago connections! Is Joey Glimco still alive?

Hey Mr. Hoffa, "scum bag?" Where's your contract with Keith's signature? ; )

@Bren -

Hoffa already explained to you that the statute of frauds does not govern the legal validity of this contract!

If you don't know what the 'statute of frauds' is, try looking it up with your Google machine!

I believe that verbal contracts are binding in the state of Wisconsin...

Apparently, verbal contracts aren't binding in Schmitzville or Brenistan.

The Hoffas lost that bet. Walker lost his “House” in that recall exchange. The Hoffas are not paying up. Gee who would of thought?

@Craig I couldn't have said it better!

Agreed! We aren't supposed to be voting for personalities but selecting the best qualified candidates for an extremely important position.

Says the person that voted for Obama in 2008. Obama brought nothing but personality to the table when he ran in 2008...

@Bren -

If you're being honest with your sentiments here, then how on earth can you be supporting and voting for Obama/Biden/Baldwin?

Hoffa also noticed on some other boards that you're still pretending to be an 'independent' - apparently Bren appreciates the theater of personality, engaging in it herself!

Cow, Obama brought common sense to the White House. Against John "Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" McCain and Sarah Palin, the millionaire "moderate" Alaskan governor who had been in office, what, a year? And whose husband was pretty much acting as co-governor according to sources, what other choice could a reasonable person make? I don't regret my decision at all.

Mr. Hoffa, I don't perceive a disconnect between my beliefs and practices. I think Craig is describing an ideal situation, not what he or few others, I imagine, actually believe is what truly takes place.

I'm amused that you perceive me as female. ; )

Bren:

What qualifications did Obama actually have though? Obama had little actual experience at the national level as a Senator--almost as much experience as Palin had as governor of Alaska. If you discount Palin for being in office only a year or so, why not the same treatment for Obama?

Which of the two, Romney/Ryan will win the number of lies they presented to a debate. Stay tuned then back to the Fact Checkers.
Remember that $90 Billion to Green energy Romney spewed out. Just one of his completely false statements. Another one, His statement on Obama doubling the deficit. Another one, Statement that his health plan covers pre existing conditions and ignores the limited treatment cost per patient which stops payments to patients when they reach a non profitable scenario. May have to explain why the great need to raise the military complexes budgets by $2 Trillion! Another war on the horizon or two or three. Another one How about his lie that under Obamacare that 20 million will lose their health insurances. “AND” what about this $ 5 Trillion Tax Cut. How do we, lose $5 Trillion in revenue, and then turn around and give the military complex a $ 2 Trillion raise??? Unless he is planning to gut the 47%. Soon the 47% will be 90% “IF” Romney Ryan ticket comes in.

"Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true."

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/

It seems that your 'pulitzer winning' site only rated the statement as a half truth...

Cow Dung.
Bernie replies.
Good to see you actually doing some research Your sights pretty good but mind is better. More in depth and accurate.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/04/barack-obama/obama-says-romneys-plan-5-trillion-tax-cut/ Pulitzer Awarded Site

My same comment applies to your repost as well.

"President Obama said Mitt Romney seeks a $5 trillion tax cut.

The $5 trillion figure accounts for only half of Romney’s plan -- and it's cumulative over 10 years. The governor says he will offset those lost revenues by reducing tax deductions and eliminating loopholes. However, he has never said what those changes would be.

The president made a misleading statement about an incomplete plan, but he did describe what the plan was missing and Romney would not fill in the gaps.

We rate the statement Half True."

Cow Dung
What qualifications did Obama actually have though? Obama had little actual experience at the national level as a Senator--almost as much experience as Palin had as governor of Alaska. If you discount Palin for being in office only a year or so, why not the same treatment for Obama?

Bernie replies;
Difference between Obama and Palin? You really have to ask? If you don’t know by now doubt you ever will. Speaks volumes about you.

Bren specifically cited Palin's lack of time in office as a disqualifying quality. Obama had a similar lack of time that was not held against him. Bren is a hypocrite.

@ Cow Dung;
Agree it is a half truth. Your original comment post it as not true. Which is incorrect. Your second post agrees with Half Truth as I do. Now that said lets try another one. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-has-doubled-deficit/ Double the deficit? Don’t think so Romney..False

@CowDung
11:33 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Bren specifically cited Palin's lack of time in office as a disqualifying quality. Obama had a similar lack of time that was not held against him. Bren is a hypocrite.
Bernie replies;
Bren being a hypocrite. That would be mostly false. There are similarities in one arena of experience as there is other arenas you have failed to mention that gives the edge to Obama being the higher probability for success in vital issues involving the president’s office in the executive branch of our Democracy. That said how about Romney’s statement on pre existing conditions that he said his health care plan covers it.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-his-health-care-plan-covers-pre-e/ Romney on preexisting conditions covered. Mostly false

Tommy; You like stories? I’ll let Pedro tell you the story.

Pedro Santa Clara and Rossen Valkanov Concurred that the democrats fared better than the republicans by a wide margin. Democrats had consistent above average returns. Most Republicans had lower than average returns and greater volatility.
Santa Clara and Valkanov attribute the difference in returns to the stock markets being systematically and positively surprised to discover that democratic polices in a 80 year time frame of quantifiable data, are the best economic stewards for the nation. Differences are substantial.
Democrats had a respectable average return of 9.6% as when compared to republicans 0.58% average returns. If an employee’s 401[K] plan was fully invested in stocks at a value of $100,000, at the beginning of the employee’s 40 years of labor, apply this to both parties for returns.
Republicans Nest egg accumulated $224,375.
Democrates Nest Egg accumalated $ 3,912,210.
Now at $5,000, initial nest egg investment.
Republicans Nest Egg would have accumulated $126,027.
Democrats Nest Egg would have accumulated $1,985,526.
‘The Presidential puzzle; Political Cycles and the stock market” Accessed December 14 2011, the journal of finance, Vol.LVIII, no.5October 2003
In addition;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Pulitzer Prize Awarded site
THE END

How about Ryan’s tax plans that Romney emulates as his own? Is this to be the bright future of the 1% ? The 47% would soon be the 90% !
Ryan wants to raises taxes on the middle class, cut them for millionaires. Paul Ryan’s infamous budget — which Romney embraced — replaces “the current tax structure with two brackets — 25 percent and 10 percent — and cut the top rate from 35 percent.” Federal tax collections would fall “by about $4.5 trillion over the next decade” as a result and to avoid increasing the national debt, the budget proposes massive cuts in social programs and “special-interest loopholes and tax shelters that litter the code.” But 62 percent of the savings would come from programs that benefit the lower- and middle-classes, who would also experience a tax increase. That’s because while Ryan “would extend the Bush tax cuts, which are due to expire at the end of this year, he would not extend President Obama’s tax cuts for those with the lowest incomes, which will expire at the same time.” Households “earning more than $1 million a year, meanwhile, could see a net tax cut of about $300,000 annually.”….

The only thing that Biden actually knows about Obamacare is that it's a big f'ing deal.

Ryan will effectively destroy Biden on the facts!

Based on the results of the 2008 election, we were dummed down more than one could imagine.

I think the debates are helpful. Watching them in 2008 made me decide to vote for Obama instead of resorting to my fall-back, Libertarian. I don't regret it.

@Lyin' John Wilson -

The debates have become most necessary since the MSM turned into to a biased propaganda arm of the Democratic Party campaign efforts. Romney didn't change his positions during the debates as you lefty liberals are constantly claiming - the MSM just neglected to accurately report his positions for the last 2 years! The debates were the first chance that a widespread national audience was able to see the real Romney, unfiltered - and the majority liked what they saw and heard!

How exactly did Ryan lose those plants for the constituents of his district? Wasn't big daddy Doyle and the Dems in control of state government when those plants were lost? And Obama promised that he'd take care of Janesville's GM truck assembly, remember? And why are you neglecting to credit Ryan for all the job creation that has occurred in his district since taking his seat in the House? That's a hypocritical double standard, isn't it?

Ryan has accomplished far more with this time in the House than Tammy Baldwin has with hers!

You're just a bitter partisan who likes to perpetuate LIES, hoping to target the low-information, non-thinking types!

@Bren -

So, what exactly made/makes Obama better than Bob Barr in 2008, or Gary Johnson in this election?

How about Ryans “Vouchers for granny to go feed the Vultures” Same one Romney refers to in his Health Care…. Same one that Ryan was booed by his own republicans in Wisconsin when he tried to bambozzel them with that crap.. Ryan’s latest budget, transforms the existing version of Medicare, in which government provides seniors with a guaranteed benefit, into a “premium support” system. All future retirees would receive a government contribution to purchase insurance from an exchange of private plans or traditional fee-for-service Medicare. {Monopoly Vultures} But since the premium support voucher does not keep up with increasing health care costs, {Another Expanding Doughnut Hole} the Congressional Budget Offices estimates that new beneficiaries could pay up to $1,200 more by 2030 and more than $5,900 more by 2050. A recent study also found that had the plan been implemented in 2009, 24 million beneficiares enrolled in the program would have paid higher premiums to maintain their choice of plan and doctors. Ryan would also raise Medicare’s age of eligibility to 67.... 47% make room for another 43%…

@JRH....Hold on horse, you're selecting your information incorrectly. I moved to Wisconsin in 1996 and worked for a company headquartered in Racine. When Ryan took office, Racine and Kenosha were both losing factories and good middle class industrial manufacturing jobs. I seen him wondering through our production areas several times in accompaniment with members of the WMC. He did not stem the flow of factories out of his district and out of the state. From the late 1990s on, Racine and Kenosha have had the highest unemployment in the state. You want to hold "Diamond Jim Doyle" for this when the process began as far back as the early 1990s under Tommy Thompson and Scott McCallum's administrations.

What has Ryan really accomplished in the House? List his achievements and what has he achieved for his Congressional District? I all have seen during his tenure in office is an area that was struggling and have continued to lose more and more jobs.

Please don't forget Ryan's abortion legislation co-sponsorships with Mr. Magical Secretion, Todd Akin, in 2010 and 2011 that included the concept of "forcible rape." (as opposed to?) (More here: http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/aug/22/john-wisniewski/paul-ryan-and-todd-akin-co-sponsored-bill-limiting/)

For the ignorance alone I wouldn't vote for him. The Taliban offers up ideas such as women's need to cover their hair because it "enflames" men. That's right in the same category as "forcible rape." Common sense, where art thou?

Mr. Hoffa, has ownership of the major media changed recently? Unless I'm much mistaken, it's still in the hands of Big Business (News Corp, GE, etc.).

What makes Obama better? Success. Osama gone, economy recovering, Affordable Care Act, more domestic drilling while focusing on the need for alternate energy R&D, all things I heartily support.

@Lyle -

All of the plants cited by Lyin' John Wilson closed during Big Daddy Doyle's and the Dems' majority control of state government.

Again, what exactly could Ryan do as a federal legislator - did you want him to convince the President to declare marshal law over the Democratic Party controlled local level governments in Racine, Janesville, and Kenosha that effectively turned those areas into business unfriendly tax and spend hell-holes?

And what exactly should a federal legislator accomplish for their respective legislative districts? Aren't we in fact talking about federal pork barrel projects here?

What has Tammy Baldwin or Gwen Moore accomplished for their respective districts?

For some reason or another, you exhibit such high expectations of Ryan, but don't hold Democratic legislators to those same high (and unrealistic) standards. Why?

@Bren -

So then, do you automatically discredit all legislation that was signed into law by the perjurer-in-chief, Mr. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," Bill Clinton?

How about looking down upon all the Dems who actively associated and sponsored legislation with the disgraced Anthony Weiner? Or Ted Kennedy for getting away with manslaughtering that poor young girl in his car?

It's also funny how you're so obsessed with Ayn Rand's adulterous acts, but for some reason or another never bother to mention JFK's adulterous shenanigans that he engaged in while a resident of our White House and being paid by our taxpayer dollars!

And yet, none of this stopped your candidates, Obama and Biden, from dropping Kennedy's name during the DNC convention or allowing Bill Clinton a prominent prime time speaking role.

Your partisan double standards and hypocrisy, and those of your Party, are truly epic and monumental!

As for media bias, what does MSM outlets being mostly owned by corporations have to do with anything? Does being owned by a corporation automatically prevent them from harboring and perpetuating predisposed partisan bias? If so, then how come you guys on the left are always so up in arms about the Citizens United decision?

Again, your logic is inconsistent and your points erroneous!

BTW - You never explained how Obama was better than Bob Barr in 2008 when he had no record to run on! And FYI - neither Barr or Johnson were allowed to participate in the debates, so how could they have effectively assisted you in making your choice "to vote for Obama instead of resorting to [your] fall-back, Libertarian.?"

You make no sense!!! You're a Libertarian Hoffa's rear end!!!

You're a lefty-liberal - always have been, always will be!

@JRH...What I am pointing out is that Racine and Kenosha Counties have been suffering for twenty years and it isn't because of any particular administration. Racine has lost jobs with Case, Racine Hydraulics, Danfoss, Ransom, etc. The changes in these companies and others were as a result of changing markets and movement of manufacturing to Right to Work states, Mexico and Asia. What I object to is politicians taking credit for things or blaming others for things they have nothing to do with. Just like the GM Plant in Janesville, the SUV market significantly changed prompting GM to move production to Michigan. You know this scenario very well with your family's close connection to the plant.
I hate pork barrel politics. As far as I am concerned it's nothing more than a form of graft. I don't hold Ryan to any higher standard than I do other congressional representatives. Just like the ethanol debacle. I wouldn't mind ethanol so much if it was made from switch grass or hemp, but making it from corn is insane in my book.
My main objection to Ryan is his ideological positions and that I don't think he is very well grounded in the real world. His two mentors, Jack Kemp and William Bennett are or were extremists and Ryan is following in their footsteps. I want moderation and compromise to come back not an extreme ideologue.

@Lyle -

If you don't want an extreme ideologue, then how on earth can you be supporting Mr. "I believe in redistribution" Obama for President?!?!

The Hoffas once again expose their biases. Republicans redistribute wealth as well. Not an Obama phenomenon. Obama prefers to strengthen the middle class and support for the lower classes. Republicans have turned the pyramid upside down to funnel all wealth to the pinnacle.
Cronyism Welfare ; Fair Game?
Banker’ hired lobbyist to restrain any restrictive regulation to be imposed upon them. Expenditures were high enough to have each political representative, to be lobbied to the tune of $2.5 million!
Monopolies whether government granted or “sanctioned through inadequate enforcement, have built fortunes of many of the wealthiest people. They merely have the government hand over the wealth.
Example; banker’s protect themselves is to have easy access to unlimited funds from the Federal Reserve at near zero interest rates. Banks can then lend the money back to the government or a foreign government. Multibillions are then transferred to what will produce a profitable return.
Example; poison pill scam. Consider back in 2003 republicans introduced , what many refer to as the “Poison Pill” of Health Care.
Government extended much needed Medicare drug benefits. A little provision was added to its extension. Provision PROHIBITS government from bargaining for prices on drugs! $50 Billion per year windfall to the pharmaceuticals. Imagine cost to premiums to cover that little bit added expenses. Lets see 9 years X 50 Billion per year = $450 Billion..

Craig
10:12 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Based on the results of the 2008 election, we were dummed down more than one could imagine.

Bernie replies;
Yes Craig I can see how that might affect your intellect. You were referring to intellect and not your verbal communications, I presume. Yes Your intellect has been damaged from that devastating 2008 CRASH…. From many of your comments I see your pain, of illusional delusional ramblings. We all wish you well.

@Dave Koven -

The frivolous recalls that you supported were all B.S. and the money expended on them could have been better spent, but that didn't stop you and your fellow blue-fisters from throwing your temper tantrum, did it?

So what's your point?

Looks like The Hoffas are upset that Walker lost his "House" on that last bet. Lets send Walker a louder message this November. Chip, chip its far from over. Chip, chip

Blair we all know that your comment presents a paradox. YOU DON"T READ BOOKS..No tabolids, magazines and comics are not BOOKS. Your comment is Moot!

Speculations galore..The Hoffas point?

James...If you made a noise in the woods, and no one's around to pay attention, did you say anything? Kind of like here.

Blair go find a book to read. Amaze us..

@Shiloh -

Did you support the frivolous and costly recall elections like Koven did? Is so, then don't you think both Koven and you are being a bit hypocritical?

And if you're going to hold the auto plants leaving against Ryan, then why not credit him for the expansion of Wheaton Franciscan All Saints, Aurora health care facilities throughout the district, Ruud, the revitalization of Kenosha, etc?

Also, what exactly could Ryan, as a federal legislator, have done to save those plants?

Finally, if Ryan's lack of business involvement troubles you, could you please explain Joe Biden's business involvement that you apparently believe makes him all that more qualified than Ryan, or is this just a partisan biased talking point that has no real foundation in reality?

Now here is an Idea. Lets tax the hell out of alcohol to pay for the damage to our societies health and well being. Then sue the producers for more. Whata think?
LOL looks like The Hoffas are still carrying that torch for Walker. They must be upset that Walker lost his “House” and can’t find it. Poor Walker homeless..
Oh by the way those expansions and federal support came from the Obama stimulus plan, that Ryan and his party of no, no, no leadership sought to shoot down. Guess who was first in line with his pleading hands out. Now I see why you like Ryan. His hypocrisy you do admire..

@AWD...Is this the only thing that's important to you? She's hot! With your usual comments you would normally say she is hot and white.

@Bernie -

For the millionth time now, no one pays attention to your cut and paste ramblings!

The Hoffas can be so comical.. Ya just gotta love em..

@morninmist -

Only a stooge such as yourself would trust the so-called 'fact-checkers' to provide accurate assessments!

Will you ever actually think for yourself?

Once again proof that the Democratic Party targets the low information, non-thinking voter!

The Hoffas fear the fact checkers. We should all abide by his dellusions as facts;LOL

@Dave Koven -

If the frivolous recalls were "well worth the effort/cost," then put your money where your mouth is and post a copy of the check you sent (with the personal info redacted) to the state treasury to help pay for the costs associated with the recall.

@ Dave Koven;
Bernie replies;
Agree; Old adage “believe ½ of what you see and nothing of what you hear” My preference is to observe the present and research the past and then extrapolate if they are walking the walk that they are talking the talk. These debates are nothing more than oral test. We all know how that goes from our school days. Some days your in the pink other days not so good. History of actions is more accurate. With that said. Obama all the way! Democrats all the way! Time to send a message loud and clear to republicans to shape up or ship out.

@Dave Koven -

ABC, CNBC, and CNN instapolls all showed Ryan winning the night by a four point margin or greater. The consensus amongst focus groups is that it was a draw, if not slightly favoring Ryan.

The only instapoll that showed Biden winning was CBS.

Ryan trumped on content of the message and image, while Biden's performance, although passionate and aggressive, reminded me of a cackling hyaena or jackass! The focus groups also showed that women specifically were favoring Ryan over Biden - not very good for the supposed Dem base!

Biden also LIED about voting against the wars and contradicted everything that the State Department and Intelligence community have been saying about Libya, which either proves a cover up or severe incompetence by this administration! Obama now has a mess to clean up thanks to Biden, and Hoffa's guess is that Obama will triple down on his LIES. The American people aren't buying the Dems BS anymore!

Looks like once again, your opinion squarely lies with the minority. When Obama/Biden lose, are you guys going to stage fraudulent sick-outs again and throw another temper tantrum?

@ Dave Koven
Bernie replies;
Not a complete blowout. All Ryan had for a sandwich was full of baloney.

Regulations, Regulation. Is What Strikes fear in the corrupt and criminal.
Republicans see us on the Brink as democrat see opportunity.
Could this explain why, there is such a diverse view of the same equation? Republicans see a dwindling ability to extract social welfare payments from the bottom of the Pyramid scheme’s they have designed. Democrats’ see opportunity for our society by cutting welfare payments to the elitist and returning the Pyramid back to its proper position.
Three decades of low wages, to the 90%, with a growth of 15%. Earnings increase to the 1% have been cruising at 150% increases as to the 0.1% are racing at 300% Greater acceleration of wealth accumulation has affected the wealth at the bottom.
“ By wiping out the middle classes and separating society into two classes of the property - less on the one hand and the rich speculators on the other, [inflation] paved the way for fascism and communism on the continent of Europe. It is a destroyer almost as evil as war itself. In the eyes of those that want to destroy democracy and capitalistic institutions, it is a cheap way of achieving their collapse”
Senator Paul Douglas of Illinois
on the Senate floor, February 22, 1951.
Frank Dodd, Elizabeth Warren and Obama, got the Volcker Rule passed, that DOES once again regulates banks from derivatives. May 2010. Exactly the regulations the Romney and the Bankers seek to overturn.