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Barrett, Walker: Where They Stand on Key Issues in Recall Race

Here's a look at what the two gubernatorial candidates have said about top issues, including collective bargaining, education, jobs and more.

 

Before you head to the polls in Tuesday's gubernatorial recall election, take one last look at where Republican Gov. Scott Walker and his Democratic opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, stand on the key issues facing Wisconsin.

Collective bargaining

The match that lit the fuse and sent this state into a seemingly never-ending political season that split Wisconsin in two, collective bargaining is what the recall used to be about.

In February 2011, Walker announced he would help tame and trim the state's $3.6 billion deficit by taking most collective bargaining rights away from public workers, including the state's teachers, he instantly became one of the most loved and hated men in the state.

Doing so made protests — and counter-protests — in Madison and across the state a regular occurrence. Many believe the recall initiative spawned from Walker's collective bargaining decision, one he has admitted he would have approached differently given the chance. But he stands by his decision to limit those rights in order to eliminate the state's debt.

Barrett says that as governor, he "will fight to restore full collective bargaining rights."

Three Democratic state senators who endorsed Barrett in the primary said he offered the "most realistic way" to restore collective bargaining and multiple strategies, including calling a special session of the Legislature and introducing a standlone bill.

Education

Walker took a lot of heat when his budget-balancing measures hit public schools' pocketbooks in a big way, but this spring he announced his support for legislation designed to improve educational experiences for teachers, parents and students.

Three separate task forces that will be used as the foundation for the legislation are: Read to Lead, an initiative aimed at improving the rigor of and stress the importance of reading at a young age; Educator Effectiveness, which is aimed at fairly measuring teachers and principals; and School Accountability.

“Improving our schools, measuring student achieving growth, and increasing accountability and transparency in education will help our children succeed," Walker said in a news release on his state website.

Barrett said that during his time as mayor he has fought for reform to turn around failing schools, most notably a well-publicized attempt to put Milwaukee Public Schools under mayoral control.

Barrett said he supports State Superintendent Tony Evers' plan to fund Wisconsin schools.

During his time as mayor, Barrett launched the Youth Summer Jobs Program, which aims to place Milwaukee high school students in the workplace to give them real-world experience, according to his campaign website.

Jobs

Job creation has moved to the forefront on the campaign trails for both Walker and Barrett.

Walker will likely fall well short of the 250,000 new jobs he campaigned on when running against Barrett in 2010 — Wisconsin's on pace for less than half that figure with Walker nearly one-and-half years into his four-year term.

But on recent stops throughout the state, the governor has been touting growth and believes once the recall is in the past, job creation will take off after employers put aside worries about the election.

Just days before the election, Walker said he expected the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics to confirm 23,608 new jobs in Wisconsin in 2011, a little more than month after the same agency said Wisconsin shed 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and 2012.

Barrett highlights his work co-founding the M-7 regional economic development group as well as job growth in the Menomonee Valley.

According to his website, the Menomonee Valley now supports nearly 4,000 jobs, with new factories opened by Helios (solar panels) and Ingeteam (windmills). Barrett said his leadership "played an important role in transforming the Menomonee Valley from an industrial wasteland to a thriving commercial sector."

Barrett criticized Walker for focusing on an "ideological agenda" instead of jobs, and in a news release pointed to job numbers from the Bureau of Labor statistics that showed Wisconsin lost 21,400 jobs over a 12-month span.

Taxes

Walker's controversial budget kept local municipal governments and school districts from raising the tax levy, and in a recall debate May 31, Walker claimed, "We’ve seen property taxes go down for the first time in 12 years on a median valued home."

Politifact Wisconsin said that statement — taken verbatim — was mostly true, though it had some built-in loopholes.

In April, Walker told Newsradio 620 WTMJ that under former Gov. Jim Doyle's budget, those same property tax bills would have gone up $700.

Barrett has criticized spending cuts, particularly to education, under Walker's budget and said he will undo those cuts.

He says his "principles of responsible budgeting and good stewardship of the people's tax dollars" helped Milwaukee city government weather the storms brought upon by the national economic crisis, according to his campaign website. He pointed to a $30 million cut in spending that helped balance the city's book and not saddle future generations with debt.

Social issues

Walker is 100 percent pro-life, from conception to natural death, and not surprisingly, has been endorsed by Wisconsin Right to Life and Pro-Life Wisconsin. A new state law signed by Walker in April led Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin to halt administering abortion drugs to women in some cases because of fear of criminal prosecution, adding fuel to what critics have pegged as Walker's "war on women."

Barrett said that if elected, he will fight to protect women's reproductive rights, stand up for equal pay and encourage women-owned businesses, according to his campaign website.

In a recent Q&A with the Appleton Post Crescent, Walker said voters changed the state's "Constitution in 2006 to define marriage as being between one man and one woman" and that he will continue to uphold the Constitution.

Barrett said he supports marriage equality and opposes the gay marriage ban, according to the Associated Press.

Walker, a self-described avid hunter, is a strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment, or the right to bear arms, and during his tenure, Wisconsin became the second to last state in the union to pass a conceal carry law.

Barrett said that despite a commercial with the ending line, "Don't let Tom Barrett recall your gun rights," he believes people have the constitutional right to own guns "and that the government does not have the right to take them away," according to his website.

Related Topics: Gov. Scott Walker, Tomm Barrett, Walker Recall, Wisconsin Recalls, and election 2012

Michelle

11:43 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

Nice unbiased article.... Yeah right! Written by a Tom Barrett supporter!

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Suga Pea

7:39 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

It has been said: "Truth has a liberal slant".
And anyway you slice it...Truth Always Hurts.

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Bob McBride

8:12 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

..by a liberal, who was lying at the time.

James R Hoffa

1:27 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Come on Patch - this is really POOR and CLEALRY extremely BIASED in favor of Barrett.

Shame on you Patch!!!

Interesting how the Walker positions contain subtle opinionated comments regarding their validity, such as " Walker took a lot of heat," " Walker's controversial budget," " adding fuel to what critics have pegged as Walker's "war on women," etc while Barrett's positions do not contain equal subtle opinionated comments regarding their validity from his opposition.

Care to explain this Patch?

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James R Hoffa

1:31 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

CORRECTIONS NEEDED:

Collective Bargaining was limited so that local municipalities and districts would be able to balance their budgets while adhering to the state imposed freeze on property taxes after the reduction in state aid had occurred in the biennium, and after many union locals failed to introduce contracts with the agreed upon concessions (but instead awarded its members wage and benefit increases).

Why are there specific examples given to Barrett's job creation/growth, but none in regards to highlighting the success of Walker's jobs programs/initiatives?

"Barrett has criticized spending cuts, particularly to education, under Walker's budget and said he will undo those cuts."

What does this comment have to do with taxes? Does this mean that Barrett will raise taxes?

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James R Hoffa

1:32 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

"He pointed to a $30 million cut in spending that helped balance the city's book and not saddle future generations with debt."

That is not a position, it's a campaign plug for goodness sakes! Not to mention an outright LIE, in that it ignores the reality of Milwaukee being so severely leveraged under Barrett's tenure that it recently underwent yet a further downgrade of it's public debt offerings:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/04/16/moodys-downgrades-milwaukee-rating.html

Sure looks to me like Barrett is saddling future generations with TONS more debt than when he entered office in Milwaukee. But of course, in true Democratic fashion, he takes no personal responsibility for his actions, and instead blames this on Walker, despite the FACT that Moody's specifically cited the bond offering for Barrett's trolley as being the primary factor behind the downgrade:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/04/16/barrett-blames-walker-for-moodys.html

But hey, why report the facts when you can plug for Barrett, right Patch?

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Lyle Ruble

1:39 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@JRH...C'mon, talk about selective perception. The statements are well vetted and I don't see that it is biased one way or another. For someone who values their independence, you certainly are showing a pronounced bias. You're smart enough to be able to take the spin out of both sides. If I can do it, I know you can do it. Who cares who is elected governor, the real battle is for the state senate and that won't be finally settled until November. Big Yawn!

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James R Hoffa

2:30 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Lyle -

"The statements are well vetted and I don't see that it is biased one way or another."

Are you serious? I give a specific example, as used in the article, show how it's FALSE, complete with supporting factual links, and you still can't see any bias???

Not to mention how nearly every Walker position is premised with a quip about how it's 'controversial' or 'engaging in a war on women,' or 'bringing on heat from opponents,' while there is no perspective about how Barrett's opponents feel about his positions ever offered in regards to a single position covered. And yet, you still see no bias???

Jobs are purported to be the focus of the campaigns, and Barrett's position includes specific references to programs and jobs created, while the only thing mentioned about Walker is a controversy over the BLS jobs numbers. And yet, you still see no bias???

Did you forget to take your meds today Lyle?

I agree that the State Senate races are also very important, but a win on top here will provide the momentum for the play out of that saga in November, so the top ticket race shouldn't be so easily dismissed - especially by someone standing where you do on the issues and in your support.

Also, did you forget about your chances to retake the State Senate tomorrow night, or are you already conceding those recall races?

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mau

2:40 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

I never see the media use the term "touting" (To solicit customers, votes, or patronage, especially in a brazen way.) when describing what a democrat politician is doing or saying. They always use it when describing what a Republican politician is doing or saying.

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Lyle Ruble

3:10 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@JRH...The article wouldn't make sense if it didn't contain the contextual remarks. These are issues that separate the two candidates. It seems to me that you're being overly sensitive. There is maybe only 2% to 3% in play anyway. The November election is not dependent on who is governor. Tone it down a bit and enjoy the view.

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James R Hoffa

3:28 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Lyle -

I'll take that advice to heart :-)

CHUCK NORRIS STANDS WITH WALKER!!!

'Nuff said.

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Dark Star

1:14 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

As far as Walker's efforts in the war on women, didn't he recently support repeal of the Fair Pay Act in Wisconsin? I guess by making women work longer he figures they will have less time to come out and vote against him.

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Greg

1:21 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Since you brought it up, I did notice that the democrats did not have a woman on their ticket and the Republicans did. How does that play into your ignorant concept?

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Dark Star

2:15 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Greg, did he, or did he not support repeal of the Fair Pay Act in Wisconsin?

FYI, The Dems have a much larger percentage of women in elected office than Republicans have ever had, by a very wide Margin.

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Greg

2:38 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

You can say that, but do you have a source?

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James R Hoffa

2:48 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

@Dark Star -

Here are the FACTS:

1) In all the years that such law was on the books here, not a single case was ever brought under it.

2) It was wholly redundant of federal law and presented the un-equitable possibility of a double recovery as well as an egregious punitive damages award.

3) If a gender discrimination lawsuit originated in state court under this law, it would not have prevented the defendant of their right to remove such case to the federal court, and thus the law presented an undue judicial inefficiency.

4) Your beloved Politifact has stated that every single Dem talking point on this issue has been FALSE.

5) The law actually contained more bureaucratic hurdles to filing such an action when compared to the equally situated federal law.

6) Repealing the law did not take away anyone's rights or protections, which are all still fully in place, again as indicated by your beloved Politifact.

Again, I prefer hard OBJECTIVE FACT to liberal BS!

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Dark Star

4:16 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Just a short while ago the US Senate failed to pass the Fair Pay Act because of a Republican filibuster. Of course a majority voted for it 52 to 47. If I were a woman or a minority I couldn't imagine voting for Walker or any of his Anti-Woman cronies. His motto might as well be "Crush the Weak"!!

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Greg

4:30 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

But you probably are OK voting for Democrats, like Obama, that favor Sex Selection Abortions. The sex that is being aborted is female. The ultimate War on Women.

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Greg

4:38 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

How many more laws do you need? It was a democrat political stunt, they love the suckers that fall for the war thing.
"Collins told reporters that "we already have on the books the Equal Pay Act, the Civil Rights Act and the Lilly Ledbetter Act, which I did support. I believe that they provide adequate protections. I think this bill would result in excessive litigation that would impose a real burden, particularly on small businesses. So I think existing laws are adequate."

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James R Hoffa

5:04 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

@Dark Star -

Funny how completely ignore the FACTS that I presented to you, and instead shift the subject to federal law, which you still aren't honest about. You sir, are definitely a liberal!

There are already laws on the books protecting against gender discrimination in the work place, especially in relation to equal pay. Why do we need even more laws that will do exactly the same thing as those that we already have?

Your logic makes no sense here! Nothing but fear mongering scare tactics to get someone to vote a certain way. That sir, is disgusting and you should be ashamed!

The real War on Women is how the Democrats view them as being stupid and prey upon them as a voting contingent that they want to control with their ridiculous falsehoods and lies!

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Dark Star

5:48 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

JRH, I hope you do better in a courtroom than making stuff up and supporting it with a string of ad hominem, strawman and red herring arguments. Again it seems your shallow arguments are merely projections of your own argument's shortcomings and similarly, your conclusions are merely a collection of logical fallacies.

Your take on women is particularly egregious and is a reflection of the recent Republican Party in general. You are actually the one who is calling women stupid by suggesting they are not smart enough to discern that the Dems are supposedly preying on them. I trust women to make their own decisions and figure it likely is none of my business to decide if they made the right one or the wrong one. Republicans however, are still discriminating against them by denying them equal pay for equal work, no matter how you spin it.

When Republicans claim to be for small government at the same time they want government to dictate their reproductive rights and track their pregnancies to make sure they end the way they want them to, that is hypocrisy. Like anyone else, women are generally smart enough to see through the GOP spin and that is why there is a verifiable gender gap of the majority of women not supporting the GOP. The reason I left the GOP is that in social, financial and other issues, the current Republican party is like America's equivalent of the Taliban. Totally regressive and largely ignorant of what used to be considered right and wrong.

Michelle

1:44 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

This clearly biased article makes me want to stop reading patch :( shame on you!
I'm an independent voter and I can't believe the plug for Barrett here!

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Randy1949

2:45 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

You're an independent voter like I'm the Czar of all the Russias.

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CowDung

2:49 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Since we don't register with party affiliations, isn't everyone an 'independent' voter in Wisconsin?

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Greg

2:50 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Добрый день

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Bob McBride

2:52 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

You didn't have to go to the trouble of dragging the Romanovs into it, Randy. You could have just mentioned Bren.

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Randy1949

2:56 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Only Hoffa will recognize the Star Trek reference. LOL

Did Greg just insult me in Cyrillic?

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James R Hoffa

3:14 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Poor Pavel, always so misunderstood!

"What do you think?"

"He's a Russkie."

"That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. Of course he's a Russkie but he's some kind of retard or something."

At least when he got to meet Apollo, he was in his glory!

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Greg

4:19 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Interjection. добрый день (dóbryj den'). good day.
It's what they say, nuttin' I can do about it.

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Butch

5:43 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

If you can't stand the facts, then maybe you should stop reading.

James R Hoffa

3:17 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Speaking of Russians, the Dems blew their chances at winning this thing!

All they had to do was go for the gusto, not hold back any punches, and fly in the preserved body of Lenin! That really would have fired up the base and put ol Barrett over the top! But Tate and Zielinski wouldn't listen to Hoffa! Sorry, but you guys blew your big chance!

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Bob McBride

3:25 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Live Clinton is still cheaper than dead Lenin. Remember, they're just scraping by here for lack of any outside financial help (cough). A model with an inflatable red heart, a staged conflict with a demonstrator, a salad and a lap dance across the street from the airport on the way out of town is a pretty small tab for all the press they got out of it.

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James R Hoffa

4:03 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Good point Mr. McLiberal, or is it Mr. McBarrett...

Jim

3:26 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Today is when the last ditch postings will emerge. If anyone doesn't recognize the "Patch" site as leaning a bit left, you need to get your eyes checked.

These last ditch postings are the sign of desparation by Barrett supporters.

According to employees affected by Walker's changes they LOVE IT!!

IF the truth is applied to the election Walker will win hands down. IF Barrett wins it will be a truely sad day for Wisconsin.

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Dark Star

1:18 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

If Walker wins it will be because his out-of-state billionaire donors bought it for him.

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Greg

1:27 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

After reading your comments, I know if I were a Barrett supporter, I'd want you to shut the F up. Your baseless attacks just amplify the ignorance of your side.

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CowDung

4:47 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Dark Star:

Before you complain about 'out of state donors', you might want to share the fact that you aren't 'in state' yourself...

Tom

3:46 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

This oppioniated editorial comment does not belong in the "News" section of this web page. -Thought I was reading the front page of the Milwaukee Journal/Sentennel. Terrible and unethical journalism, Patch!

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Mary C.

3:53 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Wow! Another offshoot of the Milwaukee Journal. That's all we need is another copy of the newspaper that has caused so much bad publicity for our Govenor.

No tom, it's not Scott, or my opponant, it's Govenor Walker. I just hope no one judges me through a microsope as much as tommie and the Journal have done to Govenor Walker. I would look like the biggest criminal in Wisconsin even without any crimanal convictions. Talk about Glass houses...

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James R Hoffa

3:55 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Anyone else think that Barrett kinda looks like The Tall Man (Angus Scrimm) from the Phantasm series of films?

"Can't you feel the stillness in the air? The Tall Man's real. And I think he wants nothing better than to populate our world with the undead."

Then again... liberals / undead...

OMG - Tom Barrett is really The Tall Man!!!

Anyone got a 1970 Hemi 'Cuda convertible?

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Greg

4:24 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

I always liked the 340 C.I.D. with a six-pack. The weight to power ratio was a great match for a Cuda sized car.

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James R Hoffa

6:12 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Greg -

I know my own needs.

And what I need from an automobile I know I get from this new Cordoba!

I've got a 1977 360 CID 4 barrel Chrysler Cordoba, with the "thickly cushioned luxury of seats available even in soft Corinthian leather!" It's the new small Chrysler!

In Cordoba, I have what I need!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o

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GearHead

8:17 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

In Cordoba, you owned one of the singularly most crappy cars on earth, with all respect to Richardo. If you still own one, it is indeed worth at least a couple hundred bucks, being the rest of them were turned into metallic pancakes decades ago. ;-)

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GearHead

8:20 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@ Greg: I knew a guy who had a70 AAR 340-6 that lent it to a friend who subsequenty wrapped it around a tree. No, it wasn't me.

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James R Hoffa

8:53 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@GearHead -

I love my Cordoba! As a big car nut and collector, it's just one of many in my collection of odd-balls. It's cheap fun! I eliminated the lean burn computer and did some performance upgrades! While it's not a rocket ship, it's not a slouch either!

In fact, once I find one, I'd like to purchase a '78 Cordoba with the 400 big block and T-Tops! Like I said - it's cheap fun for a car nut that's into odd ball and goofy stuff. It's something different, and I like that!

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Greg

9:24 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

The only thing that could possibly be worse than the 360 is the 400. But the money you save on tires can be put towards larger lapells.

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James R Hoffa

9:30 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Or the Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack 8-Track!

Bewildered

5:11 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Can we "flag as inappropriate" this whole story? My goodness, HuffyPatch, no longer even trying to hide your left bias? Hey Mark, how could you let your local editors write such a one sided report and try to claim it as "news". Reads like something from Dailey Kos. Is that where your taking Patch now? Big loss of journalistic credibility. Why don't you hire Oberman as your " political consultant" ( here hes looking for a job)? He'd fit right in with these two "editor" jokers. Come on, Man ! This is Amateur Hour

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Stormy Weather

8:28 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

And here's to RUSD who also has their heads up Barrett & Lehman's you know what...

This is a must read. Wadewitz elementary thought it would be a good idea to do a mock Walker/Barrett election with 3rd graders and then the JT announced that "Barrett wins" and included a photo of the kids voting with the idiot teachers. Here's the link

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/photos-third-grade-vote-barrett-defeats-walker/collection_42fefa66-ae9e-11e1-a109-001a4bcf887a.html#comments

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mau

8:40 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Gee, do you think there was a little indoctrination going on here. Especially with such a big vote spread. And what 3rd grader knows who the candidates are and what the issues are about.

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James R Hoffa

8:58 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

And people wonder why RUSD is in such shambles! But all they need is continuously more money to fix it - honest......

Stormy Weather

8:44 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Hey Mau - Read the comments on the mock election, to see what RUSD has been up to lately. Pretty sad!

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mau

8:55 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Where are the parents? I would have been in there raising holly heck.

Nick Poulos

9:39 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Let's just get out and vote tomorrow. And once it's decided, let's show some civility and work together. Personally, I think the only right, moral, and responsible decision is to stand with Barrett and send Walker and his plutocratic bedmates packing. We want and need government for all, not for just for some, of the people. We need to come together and co-create a sustainable future defined by the ability of all to flourish. We need Barrett. We need to put in place an ethics and a sense of morality that is Aristotelian w a touch of the Pauline or Augustan. We need to get rid of the self-aggrandizing, self-centered, and self-focused backers of Ayn Rand. We need an ethics of a higher moral standard. An ethics and a morals that sees the Good of society, not only their pals. We need Barrett. And we need to stop the horrible language and insults. Please, remember:" Language is the house of Being. In its home man dwells. Those who think and those who create with words are the guardians of this home." That should mean each and every one of us is entrusted with the responsibility to guard this place of dwelling, this patch of Being.

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Greg

9:49 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

OK, bite me.
My "Government for all" is at least as important as yours. He was elected in 2010. Why can't you self serving lefty morons understand that your recall is an attempt to take away the votes we cast in 2010. I understand that you think you have nothing to lose, but there will be payback.
Vote Governor Walker.

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Craig

9:57 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Amen Greg!
I guess running the State into the ground and making it a craphole like the city of Milwaukee is O.K. with people like Nick. I wonder if Nick runs a deficit in his household budget?
The Looney left has cried Civil War- they have no idea what a Civil War is.
They should hope they don't have to find out.

James R Hoffa

10:00 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Walker's stand in doing what's right for the people of the state of Wisconsin as a whole reminds me of when Admiral Kirk (William Shatner) stole the Enterprise in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Both were fighting against the establishment to do what they knew to be morally right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k9Ukm9LaWg

As Admiral Kirk said:

"Gentlemen, may the wind be at our backs" tomorrow as we defend our Governor from this frivolous recall!

VOTE WALKER, KLEEFISCH, and WANGGAARD on Tuesday, June 5th, and keep Wisconsin moving FORWARD!!!

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James R Hoffa

11:29 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

@Dark Star -

How can you call something a FACT, when premised upon a wholly and completely subjective standard such as "most dishonest?"

Not to mention that Politifact did nothing of the sort - in fact, the last rating was a 'Pants on Fire' on one of Tom Barrett's many LIES. It's too bad Politifact didn't have time to expose all of his LIES before the election.

Like a proud liberal though, you continue to spread your lies as facts even after they have been exposed for the LIES they really are!

Proof once again that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter!

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Greg

11:35 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

"Dark Star" is a slang anatomical term, how fitting.

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Dark Star

1:24 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

JRH, seems you like Politifact when they agree with you, but not when they disagree. I wish you could see what Wisconsin corruption looks like from the outside where the Koch Brothers haven't bought up every minute of airtime to keep their Walker puppet in power.

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James R Hoffa

1:46 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

@Dark Star -

I don't watch any of the political commercials for either side. Unlike you, I'm well versed about the arguments coming from both sides, and have actually applied my own critical thought to every factor, before reaching the conclusions that I advocate on this forum.

Politifact is nothing more than a tool to conduct research. I use them only to reach the primary sources, that I then analyze for myself, and draw my own conclusions based upon such analysis. As even Bren has admitted, their so-called truth-o-meter is nothing more than PolitOpinion, no matter what side they happen to be analyzing. Sometimes I concur with their assessed conclusions and rating, and sometimes I don't. But when I don't, I always give an objective reason and analysis for such disagreement.

Your lack of specificity is very telling about how well informed you are. You perpetuate LIES about favors to billionaires, and yet, can't name a single thing that Governor Walker has given to a specific billionaire that is out-of-the-ordinary since he took office. All you have are LIES, conspiracy theories, and a disregard for our justice system's primary standard of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. Your view on the situation in my state is very unAmerican!

Either get specific and give us solid OBJECTIVE facts of your crap, or give it up already!

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Dark Star

4:27 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

James Hoffa, You can interpret it however you want. You seemed to like citing Politifact, so I sent you a link that also cited Politifact. Their interpretation was that based on a standard survey of 50 questions, Walker was the least truthful of all Governors. Hence, he is the most dishonest. Res Ipsa Loquitur. The Facts Speak for themselves.
You seem to think you are a superior researcher and intellect, but your reflexive partisanship causes you to ignore the facts that don't fit into your political scheme of things. I guess your dogma is your best friend and it shows.

People are discussing his dishonesty, criminal investigation and his actions all over the nation. You guys are getting so many Koch, Hendricks, Adelson political ads up there that you can't seem to see the forest for the trees. I would say you guys may be about to be purchased by a cartel of billionaires, but that obviously happened when Walker slithered into the Governorship.

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Dark Star

4:27 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Hoffa, You want an example of something a billionaire got that was out of the ordinary? Sure, they are all over the place. How about when his billionaire non-taxpaying financial backer, Diane Hendricks, asked if they could ever get a totally red state among other things? I'm sure you have seen the videos of Walker's plan to "Divide and Conquer" selected Wisconsonites. You ought to listen again to the fake Koch phone call too.

When the Governor tells you his secret strategy to divide and conquer your political foes, that is receiving something special indeed. That was not what he was elected for, and thus he deceived the voters and went into office with a secret plan to pursue an agenda favored by his billionaire donors from all over.

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CowDung

4:37 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Dark Star:

The link that you sent really didn't cite Politifact. It didn't state anything about what criteria were used to deem Walker as 'most dishonest', and Politifact did not make any such determination.

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James R Hoffa

5:07 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

@Dark Star -

"When the Governor tells you his secret strategy to divide and conquer your political foes"

When did Walker ever say that?

In fact, from the video presented, we don’t know exactly what the context of the Hendricks conversation was exactly, do we? 'Red state' is an awfully vague term. In fact, I believe she was referring to fiscal responsibility in government, as that is what new conservatism is all about first and foremost! Any other conclusions about the intent of that statement are based upon nothing more than unfounded conspiracy theories, as no where in the Republican Party platform, the numerous Tea Party platforms, or even in the ALEC agenda does it state that 'the goal and intentions of our organization is impose legislation that allows the wealthy to financially rape the poor and working middle class of everything they have,' and yet, that's exactly what your side would have us believe. Only a non-thinking IDIOT would buy into that crap! I prefer objective FACT to unfounded supposition, speculation, and assumption, but hey - to each their own, right? We're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own objective FACTS.

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James R Hoffa

5:07 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

This is why Walker responded with 'divide and conquer,' as he was clearly referring to matters of budgetary concern, of which the public sector union issue is a big one as far as allowing local municipalities and districts to balance their budgets, as has been FACTUALLY proven by the savings already experienced by those districts that utilized Walker's Act 10 tools, including Mayor Barrett's very own city of Milwaukee! This was necessary because of the reductions made in state aid to local level governments, the state imposed freeze on property taxes, and Walker's promise not to raise taxes in general. There is also the undisputed FACT that public sector union locals were wild catting and pushing contracts through local governmental entities that did not include the agreed to concessions, but instead gave their memberships increased compensation packages. Check out the AFSCME contract in Janesville, as just one example of many. The unions were not playing fair with Walker, and state level union leadership wouldn't take responsibility for the actions of their locals. What else was Walker to have done in such a situation when the unions are promising one thing and going out and doing the exact opposite? He did the right and fairest thing for everyone in the state.

Sorry, but I don't drink koolaid - I analyze the hard OBJECTIVE FACTS!

Justusselah

10:06 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

You know what's sadder than the state of our politics in WI & our nation, the state of our people. I read in these blogs and chat rooms everyonce and a while, and what I find is scary. Is there any decency left in our electorate. Or is everyone some angry, closed minded child? I read name calling, I read racism, I read sexism, I read ignorance, I read a bunch of nonsense from closed minded fools. My children behave better than today's electorate. No problem is solved with this approach. We are devouring each other people. Our problems are much bigger than the extremely small way we are going about solving them. Shouting, putting the other side down, and being stubbornly closed minded solves nothing.... I hope it's not too late for you all to wake up and see we are all brothers and sisters in this thing together and that we truly need each other if we are going to make it out of this "Real Cituation!"

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Steve ®

11:45 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay

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Bob McBride

11:58 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

You lost me at "Cituation".

Dark Star

10:02 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

When the House Judiciary Committee was considering articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon in 1974, there were six Republican Congressmen who put allegiance to the law, the integrity of the office and the public’s well-being above allegiance to political party and blind partisan ideology. Those six voted for two of the three articles of impeachment, despite threats from their own party against their careers and persons. One of them was my Congressman M. Caldwell Butler. One of them was your Congressman, Harold Froehlich, R-Wisc. (One was also Rep William Cohen R-Maine, later to become Bill Clinton’s Secretary of Defense) Here is a good article on those important people, but there are many others. http://www.salon.com/2007/11/26/gop74/ I think you now have a Republican statesman in your State Senate in the person of Sen Schultz.

As I type this the election projection is coming over the news channels and Walker has won by a wide margin. Congratulations to those who won. So, I’ll just let this be my last answer to any questions or accusations I didn’t have time to address.

In my opinion, when partisans blindly support a party nominee who is widely seen to be dishonest or unethical in his actions and words, then government has failed and isn’t working. (Think Marion Barry, former corrupt Mayor of DC) When an out-of-state cartel of billionaires can determine an election with sheer wealth, then we have lost our Democracy.

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Dark Star

10:03 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

I’m an independent, who until recently, leaned conservative. I have become alarmed at the extent anonymous money and powerful financial interests have taken control of our polity and politics.

After the Citizen’s United decision our elections are now for sale, and the purchasers of the election don’t even have to reveal their names. I believe certain billionaires and banksters bled the economy into near collapse and may be on the cusp of controlling the US government, primarily for their benefit. I think they are using their money in an Orwellian fashion and that they are too far removed from the average person to run government for the people’s freedom and wellbeing. I think they just bought Wisconsin today and will now try to exterminate their opposition for good.

We’ll now see whether Walker will do as he said and unite Wisconsin and others that have been torn asunder by his actions. Hopefully he will have learned a lesson, try to do as he said and reverse the Machiavellian strategies and tactics he has employed so far. Hopefully he will now govern fairly and most people will prosper. I just fear that he and some of the other Republicans will over-reach, as they seem recently inclined to do.

See Ya! Over and Out.

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